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Originally Posted by Altenweg

It's not my job to prove it to you...

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You do not have to defend that what you believe. Reason why I only ask religious people to provide objective supported evidence for what they suggest to be the "truth" when they try to limit the freedom of others who have a different world view and opinion.

Religious people may from me be against euthanasia. No problem. If they want to die in pain and without any dignity : Amen! So be it.
But it is not their right to decide - based on their religious views - that I am not permitted to decide on the way and moment of my own death, when the time for that comes.

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I refer to my previous post, where you conveniently failed to skip the following :

You stated :

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

The atheists don't believe in God, they will do everything to dispute the existence of God...

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To which I replied :

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Total Nonsense !

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Note that you were lying there : there are only very few Atheists - if any at all - who argue the existence of God. Why would they waste their energy on that wild claim?

I never claim that "God" does not exist. I know I can not prove that "God" does not exist, while theists can not even prove that "God" does exist. So why bother on that?
All I ever do is asking theists (who make religious claims that may limit me in having different views) to provide me with objective supporting evidence that "God" exists. So far I have never seen any of that...
All atheists doing everything to dispute the existence of God? Total nonsense !!! Complete Bull waste !!!

Please note that the topic here is euthanasia and religion.

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I'm done, stick a fork in me (not literally). I agree with your views on euthanasia, and I agree that no one has a right to force their beliefs on others. But, isn't that what you're trying to do?

All I said is stop fighting already, agree to disagree and move on. This is all a complete waste of time, that's my opinion, but I'm done fighting for it.

Do what you will, say what you want, just remember one thing. Some people's beliefs are very strong, and they will fight to the death to defend it. You are just egging them on, and that's not helpful, but hurtful. Think about that, please, not just you Cred, but everyone.

Peace people, I gave my opinion, and that's all, just wanted to bring a bit of peace and understanding to all of you, but once again, my words fall on deaf ears, or are misunderstood.

Good luck to all of you. :):)

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

Peace people, I gave my opinion, and that's all

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No you did not just gave your opinion : you lied!!

I refer once more to one of my previous posts, where you conveniently failed to skip the following :

You stated :

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

The atheists don't believe in God, they will do everything to dispute the existence of God...

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To which I replied :

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Total Nonsense !

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Note that you were lying there : there are only very few Atheists - if any at all - who argue the existence of God. Why would they waste their energy on that wild claim?

I never claim that "God" does not exist. I know I can not prove that "God" does not exist, while theists can not even prove that "God" does exist. So why bother on that?
All I ever do is asking theists (who make religious claims that may limit me in having different views) to provide me with objective supporting evidence that "God" exists. So far I have never seen any of that...
All atheists doing everything to dispute the existence of God? Total nonsense !!! Complete Bull waste !!!

So Altenweg :

WHY DID YOU LIE WITH YOUR : "atheists don't believe in God, they will do everything to dispute the existence of God"

And - WORSE - why don't you address this , or even try to skip this completely ?

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OMG, fine, when I said I gave my opinion, I meant my opinion on euthanasia.

Did I lie, no, I didn't lie, I stated what I believed was true. I don't know anything about atheism, because I don't care to know. I do have a friend that's atheist, and his belief is that God does not exist, plain and simple, the end, he's constantly trying to prove to me that God does not exist. It wasn't a lie Cred, it's stating what someone who is an atheist said to me and told me of his beliefs. That's it. You just have to make a big deal about every little thing, don't you?

And like I said before, it's not my job to prove to you that God exists, if you really want to know then find the proof yourself. I don't need proof, nor am I going to look for it. I believe what I believe for reasons of my own. I've said before, I'm probably the only person you've ever met that believes in God but not the bible, believes in God but not in church. I don't belong to any religious group, I will not listen to one mans opinion on God. I can't prove God exists and you can't prove he doesn't, done, finished, neither one of us is going to change the others opinion.

As for saying that atheists don't believe in God and will do everything to dispute the existence of God, well if that's wrong I apologize, like I said, that's my friends point of view, and he is in fact an atheist.

Happy?

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Did I lie, no, I didn't lie, I stated what I believed was true. I don't know anything about atheism, because I don't care to know.

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So, while being aware that you do not know anything about atheism, you still stated :

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The atheists don't believe in God, they will do everything to dispute the existence of God...

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And you added here that you do not even care to know. That makes it even worse !
You lied, and you stated that deliberately, because you knew that you "don't know anything about atheism, and because you don't care to know". Never the less you accused all atheists of doing everything to dispute the existence of God...

In view of my response, showing you to be lying, you now apologize. You could not do otherwise, and it sounds far from sincere.


Thank you for showing the real you, the real Altenweg...

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And thank you for continuing to show the real you Cred. You are a very angry man, for some reason or other you aren't happy and you do everything you can to belittle others and start fights. I feel sorry for you.

Was I sincere when I apologized, yes, if I made a mistake, then I do apologize. I shouldn't have based one mans beliefs (my friend who is an atheist) in my opinion of all. But you do it all the time, so I thought it was fair game, I guess you feel that only you can do that, no one else.

Unlike you, I have no desire to explore other religious or non religious beliefs, I have better things to do with my time. I respect your right to believe what you want, I do not respect the fact that you constantly put down other people's beliefs and try to shove yours down their throats.

Even if I had substantial, tangible proof that God exists, you still wouldn't believe, that's not why you are here, you just want to cause dissention. You claim to want a discussion on religion, but all you do is name call and put people down.

The people who know me, know who and what I am, that's all that matters to me, your opinion of me doesn't matter one little bit.

Good luck. :)

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

I respect your right to believe what you want, I do not respect the fact that you constantly put down other people's beliefs and try to shove yours down their throats.

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A ludicrous statement. I have NEVER condemned anyone's religious belief. Nor have I EVER told anyone that he/she should not believe whatever suits him/her. Prove me wrong if you can. You can't.
Because I respect everyone's right to believe whatever suits them.

But that right does not mean that you can lie here deliberately - like you did here. Or that you may make wild claims, like so many do here. All I ask people is to put "I believe that" in front of their religious claims. But almost all here refuse to do that. While they know that no religious statement can be based on facts, but on belief only. So who are the intolerants here?

The point is not that you apologized for your deliberate lie. You simply had to apologize, as the evidence was clearly visible and could not be denied.
But now who is whining here? Talk about a very angry person, who for some reason is not happy and does anything to sidestep and gloze over her dishonest and intolerant behavior on this board...

I feel sorry for you !

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

Even if I had substantial, tangible proof that God exists, you still wouldn't believe

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If you had... But you don't have that, because it does not exist!! And why do you suggest that I than still wouldn't believe? That is another wild claim by you ! You have no idea what I would do.

If you had Objective Supported Evidence towards the existence of "God" and for "God" being the "Creator", I would accept that evidence.

But you and I know that such OSE does not exist, and never will exist. And THAT is your real problem, and cause for your frustration !

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Whatever Cred. Believe what you want, makes no difference to me. Peace. :)

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

Whatever Cred. Believe what you want, makes no difference to me. Peace. :)

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I see you can't prove me wrong...

Peace to you too, Alt.

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

I see you can't prove me wrong ...

Peace to you too, Alt. !

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Not my job to prove you wrong, I know what I believe, and I know who and what I am, and that's all I need. You want proof find it yourself. Good luck.

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And - WORSE - why don't you address this , or even try to skip this completely ?

Cred, gag me you skip many questions... there you go again 1 set of rules for you one for everyone else.
Alty ignore him.

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

Not my job to prove you wrong, I know what I believe, and I know who and what I am, and that's all I need.

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So that allows you to deliberately LIE once more here in this topic within 24 hours?

I do not need that proof : I know that proof does not exist. It is you who suggested to have that proof, but as soon as your bluff is called you disappear with your tail between your legs...

How wonderful evolution is to allow for that!!

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I plan to Bushg. I can't believe I got sucked in again. But this time, it was more for amusement and entertainment. It's funny to watch the lengths he'll go to to try and prove he's right.

Cred, quote your little heart out, this is better than cable. :)

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I plan to Bushg. I can't believe I got sucked in again. But this time, it was more for amusement and entertainment. It's funny to watch the lengths he'll go to to try and prove he's right.

Cred, quote your little heart out, this is better than cable. :)

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Damm right lol :)

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So that allows you to deliberately LIE once more here in this topic within 24 hours?

I do not need that proof : I know that proof does not exist. It is you who suggested to have that proof, but as soon as your bluff is called you disappear with your tail between your legs ....

How wonderful evolution is to allow for that !!!

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Your such a funny man. You are lying. You said you wanted proof, and that if I had that proof you would believe. Now you say you don't need proof, because it doesn't exist. Which is Cred? You keep contradicting yourself. Go ahead, you don't even need me here to prove what I've been saying, every time you open your mouth you prove me right about you. You're great at digging your own grave, I don't even need to hand you shovel. :)

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Your such a funny man. You are lying.

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I am lying ?

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I respect your right to believe what you want, I do not respect the fact that you constantly put down other people's beliefs and try to shove yours down their throats.

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A ludicrous statement. I have NEVER condemned anyone's religious belief. Nor have I EVER told anyone that he/she should not believe whatever suits him/her. Prove me wrong if you can. You can't.

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No Alt. I am not lying. You are. For the second time in the same topic within 24 hours... That must be a record, even here...

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Can't you come up with something original Cred?

As for lying, yes you did. It's funny how you only see others mistakes and not your own.

You just keep saying the same thing over and over again, run out of arguments Cred?

Well, I have better things to do then talk to you. My kids are back from their play date and I’m going to go spend some time with them, that should give you some time to find the best comeback. Go look at all my posts, quote, and then spin it anyway you want. I look forward to seeing what you came up with.


:D :D :D :D

Look, I can post big insincere greenie smiles too. :)

You going to point out my spelling errors now? After all, that's all you have left. :)

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

As for lying, yes you did.

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I am lying ?

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I respect your right to believe what you want, I do not respect the fact that you constantly put down other people's beliefs and try to shove yours down their throats.

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A ludicrous statement. I have NEVER condemned anyone's religious belief. Nor have I EVER told anyone that he/she should not believe whatever suits him/her. Prove me wrong if you can. You can't.

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No Alt. I am not lying. You are. For the third time in the same topic within 24 hours... That surely must be a record, even here...

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Ha, ha, I see that you've run out of arguments Cred, just keep repeating yourself, it won't make your statements any more true. I do believe you are at a loss for words, how amusing.

Let me guess what comes next, the same post, yet again, with only one word changed, third to fourth. Am I right Cred, or can you come up with something original?

:D :D :D :D :D

More big grins for you.

Altenberg post #56 Jul 14, 2008, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Altenberg

"The atheists don't believe in God, they will do everything to dispute the existence of God"

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That was your first lie here, and you had to admit later that it was indeed a lie.

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Altenberg post #65 Jul 15, 2008, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Altenberg

"(1) I do not respect the fact that you constantly put down other people's beliefs and try to shove yours down their throats.
That was a deliberate misrepresentation, which you refuse to support with evidence ...

(2) Even if I had substantial, tangible proof that God exists, you still wouldn't believe, that's not why you are here, you just want to cause dissention"

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That were two lies and/or misrepresentations...

Credendovidis post #66 Jul 16, 2008, 01:59 AM

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"(1) A ludicrous statement. I have NEVER condemned anyone's religious belief. Nor have I EVER told anyone that he/she should not believe whatever suits him/her. Prove me wrong if you can. You can't.
Because I respect everyone's right to believe whatever suits them.
But that right does not mean that you can lie here deliberately - like you did here. Or that you may make wild claims, like so many do here. All I ask people is to put "I believe that" in front of their religious claims. But almost all here refuse to do that. While they know that no religious statement can be based on facts, but on belief only. So who are the intolerants here?
The point is not that you apologized for your deliberate lie. You simply had to apologize, as the evidence was clearly visible and could not be denied.
But now who is whining here? Talk about a very angry person, who for some reason is not happy and does anything to sidestep and gloze over her dishonest and intolerant behavior on this board .....
I feel sorry for you !"

(2) If you had ... But you don't have that, because it does not exist !!! And why do you suggest that I than still wouldn't believe? That is another wild claim by you ! You have no idea what I would do.
If you had Objective Supported Evidence towards the existence of "God" and for "God" being the "Creator", I would accept that evidence.
But you and I know that such OSE does not exist, and never will exist. And THAT is your real problem, and cause for your frustration!"

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Altenberg post #75 Jul 16, 2008, 03:03 AM

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"Your such a funny man. You are lying."

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That was a nonsensical statement, as it does not specify anything. Of course not : you can not specify that, as I did not lie.

Another unsuppported misrepresentation based on frustration instead of on reality.

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And once I call your bluff of lies, you disappear with your tail between your legs, just to re-appear later with more lies...

AT LEAST I DEFEND AND SUPPORT MY STATEMENTS - UNLIKE YOU...

What a sad and frustrated person you are Altenberg !

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