Ask Me Help Desk - How can you convince someone to believe in God?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Tut, please read the entire thread. All of what I quoted was from the web site that had been posted by someone else. They are NOT my thoughts or beliefs. I stated that I found the logic on that site to be absurd.

Hi Wondergirl,

That's what happens when I jump into the middle of a conservation.

My apologies.

Tut

The God of the Bible, is THEE GOD! Genisis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavans and the earth.

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth,"Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

The God of the Bible, is THEE GOD! Genisis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavans and the earth.

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth,"Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Saved from what?

Eternal punishment, because God is JUST!

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the World God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and devine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Oh OK - good luck!

If Biblical creation were not true, we could not know anything!

John 3:16 "For God so loved the World that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

If Biblical creation were not true, we could not know anything!

But I don't believe in biblical creation and I know a lot of things - how can that be?

The whole story of Job convinced me that God is not actually a JUST God.

1. How did you come to know things?
2. How do YOU know what is JUST?

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

1. How did you come to know things?

Education and experience. How do you come to know things?

Did you come to know thing's through logic? I did, because GOD CREATED LOGIC!

Think about it. Should we use your logic or God's?

Ok, if you say so, it makes no difference to me.

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

Did you come to know thing's through logic? I did, because GOD CREATED LOGIC!

Think about it. Should we use your logic or God's?

And we're back to the original argument:

Who created GOD? MY logic says that SOMETHING had to create Him. You cannot create something from nothing.

Your missing my point! You don't have any logic, God created logic!

If your answer to everything is "God created it" then there really is no option for discussion is there?

No... you are missing MY point.

I don't BELIEVE in your god.

Therefore, He doesn't exist.

If he doesn't exist, he didn't create ANYTHING.

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

The God of the Bible, is THEE GOD! Genisis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavans and the earth.

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth,"Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Oh please. Save us from proselytizers! So, anyone who doesn't worship the way YOU believe they should will not be saved. You just damned the majority of the world's people. Christianity, while the largest religion, still makes up only about 1/3 of the world's people (Major Religions Ranked by Size). This is your definition of a "just" God?

And, if your God is so omnipotent and created logic, as you claim, then why would he not set things up so that more people would worship him? Why would he make it so hard to believe?

Look, I'm not saying that Christians haven't got it right. What I'm saying is I don't know, just as Christians don't know for a fact. So believe what you want, I am happy that you find comfort in your beliefs. But please don't presume to impose your beliefs on others. Please don't presume to tell me I won't be "saved", just because I have chosen not to believe in Jesus Christ.

If our brain activity is based on RANDOM chemical reactions, assuming we EVOLVED from nothingness! Based on this THEORY we could not have ANY LOGIC, or REASONING! Only if we were intelligently designed could we have these things. My gosh, you couldn't even talk,walk,see,hear,taste,smell,or even LIVE for that matter! If we didn't have a creator that made these thing's!

Sawsall--you don't get it.

You are NOT going to convince me, because to me your logic is completely flawed. It's like saying the world is at the center of the universe because everything obviously revolves around the earth.

And I have never believed that there was EVER "nothingness" in the universe. I believe that SOMETHING has always existed. We therefore evolved from SOMETHING.

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Your name serves you well! Synnen! Didn't you read the scripture I posted? Yes, you know there is a God. You choose not to believe, that's all! And you will not be held without excuse!

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

If our brain activity is based on RANDOM chemical reactions, assuming we EVOLVED from nothingness! based on this THEORY we could not have ANY LOGIC, or REASONING! Only if we were intelligently designed could we have these things. My gosh, you couldn't even talk,walk,see,hear,taste,smell,or even LIVE for that matter! If we didn't have a creator that made these thing's!

So not a single thought or word that you sepak emanates from you, it all comes from your god? So by extension your utter the word of god? I don't think so.

It may come a surprise to you but many have a sense of responsibility for their actiosn in that they own the actions they do. You take absolutely no responsibility for your actions and I find that very dangerous to society as a whole. Who knows what your god will make you do.

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

Your name serves you well! Synnen! Didn't you read the scripture I posted? Yes, you know their is a God. You choose not to believe, that's all! And you will not be held without excuse!

You fall into the camp of fanatism. But you're blind to it due to the fanaticism. I apologize if the truth hurts.

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Scott, how do I say this gently, read the Bible! Yes, you can have assurance in Heaven, anyone can. You have to Repent of your sins, and give your life to Jesus.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Who knows what your god will make you do.

I don't think that's where he's going with his (God-given) logic. He is trying to tell you that you have been "fearfully and wonderfully made" by God (who has the First and Ultimate Logic) so that you too have logic.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You fall into the camp of fanatism. But you're blind to it due to the fanatism. I apologize if the truth hurts.

No, he's just a fundamentalist, not a fanatic.

God loves us all, every one of us. But he hates the sin. REPENT, give your life to him, before it's too late.

Eternity is a long time! PLEASE GIVE YOUR LIFE TO JESUS!!

Find a Bible believing church, and just visit sometime.

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This goes against the "LAWS OF PHYSICS"! Tell me how you get something from nothingness!

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Close. God made Logic, so how could we have any?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

No, he's just a fundamentalist, not a fanatic.

The fundamantalist part if part of his denomination, the fanaticism part is part of his whole outlook on life which clouds his judgement.

Sawsall--your scripture was written by men.

Here--here's a scripture for you. "All gods are one god, and all goddesses are one goddess. We just call them by different names in our own need". Written by Synnen.

NOW---do YOU believe MY scripture any more than I believe YOUR scripture?

Got to go, talk to you tomorrow. Good thread.

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Originally Posted by sawsall02

God loves us all, each and every one of us. But he hates the sin. REPENT, give your life to him, before it's too late.

Eternity is a long time! PLEASE GIVE YOUR LIFE TO JESUS!!!

Find a Bible believing church, and just visit sometime.

Dude you're a little scary in your preaching, it brings absolutely nothing to the discussion. You're just repeating the same thing over and over.

You do know about evolution, right?

What happened at the very beginning of time? Not sure-also not sure if there was a "beginning". I also find it easy to believe in a Creator as well as accept evolution as a reality.

Sawsall, you are going about this in the wrong way. This is not how to convince people about God's existence and that they need God in their lives. In fact, you are quickly turning off everyone who reads your posts.

There are better ways to do this.

Sawsall--I didn't get something from nothingness.

There was ALWAYS something, and NEVER nothing.

Therefore something came from something, not something from nothing.

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Originally Posted by Synnen

There was ALWAYS something, and NEVER nothing.

That's what I'm inclined to believe, as well.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

The fundamantalist part if part of his denomination, the fanatism part is part of his whole outlook on life which clouds his judgement.

The two are mutually inclusive?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

The two are mutually inclusive?

It sounds like we need a Venn diagram. :) I think the fundamentalism circle lives inside the fanaticism circle.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

It sounds like we need a Venn diagram. :) I think the fundamentalism circle lives inside the fanatism circle.

I thought it was the other way around. Which came first, the fundamentalism or the fanaticism? Hmmmm. And we may be hijacking this thread.