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Atenweg,
I know that this is a discussion board and mainly so far on religion.
But the question was asked why are atheists here and I picked up on that.
I really would like to know the real reason.
I think that they themselves don't real know what it is, because the reason given so far do not jell with me.
I think that religion draws them even if it is just a religious board.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Fred,
As a religious discussion board we discuss belief in certain religions, religious events, and the absence of religion.
We all have a right to express our views on the subject, even those that don't believe in any religion.
There is a Christianity board, there is not an atheist board, or a Deist board, so that leaves the religious discussions board. In fact, it is my understanding that the religious discussion board was started mainly for people like Cred, MichelB and myself, people who do not have a specific board to go to in order to discuss their beliefs.
I for one come here because I'm interested in others beliefs and how they differ from my own. I will discuss things when I don't agree, or ask questions when I don't understand someone's point of view. It's a great way to learn about others belief system and why they believe the things they do.
In other words, if we are open minded, open hearted, we may just learn a thing or two about each other. That's always a good thing, right? :)
Atenweg,
I also in interested in others beliefs.
I have nothing against atheists. They are welcome to believe as they wish like everyone else.
That does not mean that I should not be interested in whay they are attracted to religious boards.
They have been on every one that I have visited including one on witches.
I find that very interesting.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Like I said Fred, the religious discussion board was actually started for Atheists etc, because there is no board assigned to that belief.
There's a Christianity board, a buddhism board, Hinduism board, Islam board, Judaism board, but no Atheism board, no Deism board either. So, where are we to go? That's why they started the Religious Discussions board, for all of those that wish to discuss their beliefs but don't fall into any of the categories that are listed.
It is actually against the rules for me to go to the Christianity boards unless I'm there to talk about Christianity, which of course I don't believe in. I'm also not Jewish, nor am I a budhist, I can go to these boards to view what is being said, but I cannot join in as I don't have the same beliefs.
This board gives the rest of us somewhere to go to discuss what we believe, that is why you'll find Atheists, Deists, possibly even Satanists on this board.
Does that answer your question? :)
I don't know that I believe in God in any sort of traditional sense, but I like Jesus; not so much those that interpret him or the bible. In my life I have met and heard a great many Christian and one thing is for certain, not all of them interpret the bible in the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
However, being sort of a non-believer I am here to learn more in my quest with regard to my existence or help people examine their beliefs through the prism of my life experiences and what 'God' has revealed to me personally; if that makes sense to anyone... lol.
Note: I answered the original post about a page ago.
Texas Parent, I think we may have very similar beliefs.
I myself am a Deist;
Deism is the belief that a supreme God exists and created the physical universe, and that religious truths can be arrived at by the application of reason alone, without dependence on revelation. It is in contrast with fideism, found in many forms of Christianity[1], Islamic and Judaic teachings, which holds that religious truths rely upon revelation in sacred scriptures and upon the testimony of other people as well as reasoning.
Deists typically reject most supernatural events (prophecy, miracles) and tend to assert that God has a plan for the universe, which he does not alter by intervening in the affairs of human life nor by suspending the natural laws of the universe. What organized religions see as divine revelation and holy books, most deists see as interpretations made by other humans, rather than as authoritative sources. Deists believe that God's greatest gift to humanity is not religion, but the ability to reason.
Thank you so much, I wondered if there were others who thought along similar lines. For most of my life I have felt like an orphan, trying to fit in and grow spiritually, but incapable of abandoning MY truth and having no one to share my thoughts on the matter with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
I am interested in finding out more about Deists; do you have any suggestions as to where I might learn more?
Atenweg,
No it does not.
My question is why do religious boards attract atheists.
But the thought your answer just gave me is that for some there is no where else to go.
I'm happy that this board was made as it was and gives them and others an opportunity to discuss beliefs.
I find much what is posted here interesting and informative as I'm sure others do.
Thanks for your discussion on this.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Texas Parent, I felt exactly the same way you did, in fact, until a few months ago I didn't even have a name for my beliefs, it was Cred that told me about Deism, and after reading the definition I was so relieved, yup, that's exactly what I believe.
There are a lot of sites on the web that will give you a better understanding. If you like I could PM you a few links, or you can Google Deism, or Deists, that should give you a starting point.
I too am very glad to meet someone with the same beliefs as mine, I was beginning to think I was the only one on this site that believed this way. :)
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Originally Posted by arcura
Anytime Fred, anytime. :)
Texas Parent,
This is as good a board for that as any I have seen.
There may be a deist board or something similar at Ask Questions - Get Answers [ Welcome ]
There is a Christian and a Catholic board there where deists have particpated on.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)
I wonder if me being Canadian has anything to do with it? Moved to Texas a couple of years ago. I wiki-ed Deism and found your quote and read about half the page; pretty much on track, but there are other aspects of my beliefs that would be interesting to bounce off you at a later date, I don't know yet if they fit under Deism, but I haven't really had a chance to examine the Deism beliefs (or lack thereof) enough yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
It's sort of sad though, and here I thought I was an original thinker... lol.
Thanks again, I will take you up on your offer about sites and the like sometime soon.
Thank you. I'm new to the board, and the few posts that I have seen suggest this is a little more civil than some other threads with regard to religious views I've stumbled across.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Texas Parent, anytime you want to talk just PM me, I'd be glad to answer any questions that you have.
As for being an original thinker, I felt the same way, but I find it comforting to know that I'm not the only one who feels or thinks this way. Besides, being a free thinker is one of the aspects of being a Deist, so you're in good company. ;)
There are some things about Deism that I also don't agree with 100%, but it is definitely the closest to my way of thinking, to my beliefs.
I am proud to call myself a Deist. :)
Dear Fred,Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Board Management seems to accept that Atheism is just another world view - a view that excludes any supranatural entity and/or ignores such an existence.
Atheism is just as valid a world view as theism. And as both relate to the existence of a supra-natural entity, they belong on the religious discussion board.
Have a nice day, Fred !
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Dear Alt :Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
Within Theism and Atheism there are many different views.
It seems to be a human treat to insist on individual interpretations of similar religious views, including the Atheist view that excludes and/or ignores a supra-natural entity.
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Your original question is " If you saw Jesus work miracles would you believe?" Who is that question directed at?Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Different ones have given testimonies of miracles done in the name of Jesus Christ. They have answered the post, while others have answered in the negative, saying there is no OSE. They will never get any more OSE than they have already had, and indeed for most of them there could never be enough OSE to satisfy them.
Don't confuse them with facts, their minds are made up!
OK.. the Bible is a book... written by whom? When? Exactly... Catholic priests back in the day who wanted to make a living off people paying the church for every sin, family birth, marriage, etc. Then people freaked out and went crazy and said Jesus and Moses did all these crazy things like Houdini... Being locked inside a tomb and escaping!! Wow its amazing... and also a moral story more or less... not necessarily a true event. Many stories in the bible.. Noah's ark for example have a moral ending like a fiction novel... Am I convinced that God exists? No, the Bible which is suppose to be the right way to live is a collection of moral stories with a few extra books written in by Catholic priests and bishops.
aaj2008,
Your grasp on real authentic history is amazingly poor.
Look up history of the bible on the internet or contact the American Bible Society for it.
I think you will be amazed at how wrong you are.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
aaj2008,
I'm not a catholic, but I believe in God. How were fiction invented? I don't know but that perhaps have emerged from the what you call 'story' of Noah.
Blessings.
I myself don't believe and start associating things with scientific or other logical explanations to it... but if somebody believes I appreciate it as I always associate these things with raising hopes and being positive in life which is good and no harm for anybody...
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Originally Posted by Galveston1
Actually you are right on some level, there will never be enough OSE to satisfy me because the god of the bible doesn't exist. In order for there to be enough OSE to convince me it would have to exist. However if it did exist there would be several things that would convince me I'm wrong. For example proof of the devil, angels, demons, ghosts, bigfoot, god speaking to me, Jesus speaking to me, god actually striking me down when someone of faith asks for it, finding one artifact that has super powers(Holy Grail granting life for example) and super powers granted through prayer. I'm sure there are many more things that would convince me that a god existed these are just a few.
I'd like to ask you the same question what would convince you that the god of the bible doesn't exist?
Since I am one of His sons, and am acquainted with Him by the Holy Spirit, nothing can convince me that He doesn't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by michealb
The man with the experience is never at a disadvantage to the man with the argument.
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Originally Posted by Galveston1
Yet you accuse atheists of having their mind made up. Does the word hypocrite mean anything to you?Quote:
Don't confuse them with facts, their minds are made up!
Exactly the point I have been trying to make. God has revealed himself to me through my experiences and he tells me that my understanding is truth; but if you must know the truth of my experiences does not match the literal bible; some of the principles, but not the details.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galveston1
Does that make my experience trump any biblical arguments? I believe so, but unlike those with a biblical argument, I can accept your experience is truth to you, are you willing to accept my experience is truth to me and leave it at that rather than resort to an argument?
Texas,
God can't lie and God can't go against his Word. He places HIS WORD ABOVE HIS NAME. It is THAT important. So if it what you think God is revealing to you as truth does NOT line up with his Word... then it isn't GOD.
Jesus said that God's new Covenant will be written in the hearts of men. Is that everyone except for me? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by classyT
Also, I was under the impression God could do as he pleases. Do you think he is bound by the Bible?
Texas,
He is bound by his WORD. He won't go against it.. ever. He isn't going to tell you something that is contrary to what he has already said. That is all I mean.
Under proper scientific observing conditions with any possibility of chichanery taken away? Sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
And you are implying-------what?Quote:
Originally Posted by michealb
That you're a hypocrite. If your fine with that so am I. I just wanted you to know that there is a word for what you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galveston1
First you stated : "Since I am one of His sons, and am acquainted with Him by the Holy Spirit, nothing can convince me that He doesn't exist."Quote:
Originally Posted by Galveston1
A wild claim, as no OSE for that suggestion is provided.
Than you stated : "The man with the experience is never at a disadvantage to the man with the argument".
Another wild claim, as no OSE for that suggestion is provided.
Actually you SUGGEST you are better than one without "the experience".
Better? To state that (specially without any support) is a case of haughtiness and hypocrisy.
Seeing the conversation (posts #104 and 105) it seems more a case of :
"If you're not perfect yourself , you'd better tone down to others !!! "
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Back to the topic : If you saw Jesus work miracles would you believe?
And if so, WHY ? And WHAT would you believe in that case ?
Or is the question actually NONSENSICAL, as Jesus died some 2000 years ago, and IF (note the big "IF") in some hypothetical way Jesus would come back, it would (accordingly to the Christian manual to life) be too late anyway to believe.
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Because I state that you can not change my mind, and that nothing I can say will change yours, that makes me a hypocrite? You have a strange concept of what that is.Quote:
Originally Posted by michealb
That isn't what you said if it was you wouldn't be a hypocrite what you said what that our minds were made up and nothing would change our minds, as if you had an open mind.
Cred,Quote:
Originally Posted by Credendovidis
You are wrong. It wouldn't be too late to believe. The only ones that it will be too late for is the ones that HEARD the truth (the gospel) and rejected it. They will be the ones with the mark of the beast on their forehead or right hand.
(p.s. you will have to take your mark on the hand on account of the gigantic L on your forehead).. LOL I crack me up. It was a joke.. don't go getting all ticked at me.:D
I have heard that we all in some ways or times are hypocrites.
I TEND to agree with that.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Hi Fred,
Could you answer the question I asked way back on page 10?
NeedKarma,
The question was directed at anyone on this thread.
I thot that was obvious.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
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