Ask Me Help Desk - I know God Exists

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

Sassy, you believe that you know, you don't know...

Again this is your subjective opinion on the matter and I respect everyone opinions. ;)

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Originally Posted by sassyT

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Thanks Sassy : with that reply you showed us all five times that all you do is BELIEVE that "God" exists !

Okay, that is just your BELIEF on the matter. And I respect that.

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Originally Posted by sassyT

Again this is your subjective opinion on the matter and i respect everyone opinions.

Incorrect sassyT : you SHOWED yourself with these replies that all you do is BELIEVE that "God" exists. I have nothing to do with that. Your words are clear. And without any proof to support them, all you can base your statement on is BELIEF.

If you have a mental problem with finding the verb "to believe" inferior in any way, just speak to your religious mentor. Just replacing "to believe" with "to know" will not change your condition : all you CAN do is to believe!!

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Incorrect sassyT : you SHOWED yourself with these replies that all you do is BELIEVE that "God" exists. I have nothing to do with that. Your words are clear. And without any proof to support them, all you can base your statement on is BELIEF.

Obviously I was not as clear as I needed to be... my apologies... Let me make my words clearer for you I KNOW GOD EXISTS. ;)

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If you have a mental problem with finding the verb "to believe" inferior in any way, just speak to your religious mentor. Just replacing "to believe" with "to know" will not change your condition : all you CAN do is to believe!!

I don't know why you have a problem with my knowing God... lol. If we said hypothetically for your sake, that God does really exist, why then would it be impossible to know He exists? I know he exists as much as I know Goerge Bush exists. Just because you don't know God, does not mean it is impossible to know He exists.

I KNOW God exists, but I BELIEVE He is who He says He is, the Creator of the Heavens and the earth. :)

I think it's time this thread was closed, we're going in circles and getting no where.

Apparently, without proof, SassyT "knows that God exists" even though she has no desire to prove that "knowledge".

I know that I'm done with this thread, you can take that knowledge to the bank.

Peace.

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Originally Posted by Altenweg

I think it's time this thread was closed, we're going in circles and getting no where.

Apparently, without proof, SassyT "knows that God exists" even though she has no desire to prove that "knowledge".

Again, going back to my breakfast a month ago analogy. I KNOW what I had for Break fast a month ago (2 eggs, toast etc). I have absolutely no way to prove that to the world but it does not change the fact that I KNOW what I had for breakfast that day. Same as God, I don't have way to prove God because of the nature of His Being, however my inability to prove Him to the world has no relevance to the my knowing Him.
So I don't know why you take offense to my saying I know God. You can not tell me what I know and don't know because for one you don't even know me, so like I said I respect your opinion although it does not in anyway reflect reality.

And again... these two statements are VERY different things. I think you are mixing them together:

I KNOW God.

I KNOW God exists.

Two completely different things. No one is disputing the fact that you KNOW God. What they are disputing is that you KNOW GOd exists.

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Originally Posted by DrJizzle

and again... these two statements are VERY different things. I think you are mixing them together:

I KNOW God.

I KNOW God exists.

two completely different things. No one is disputing the fact that you KNOW God. What they are disputing is that you KNOW GOd exists.

Again, I know God exists and I have taken the time to get to Know Him. People can dispute if they want to, and that's fine, like I said you are all entitled to your own opinions and I respect that.

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Originally Posted by sassyT

Again, I know God exists and i have taken the time to get to Know Him. People can dispute if they want to, and thats fine, like i said you are all entitled to your own opinions and i respect that.

No sassy : you do NOT know that "God" exists. You BELIEVE that "God" exists.
All you "prove" here is that you feel the meaning of the verb "to believe" too inferior to your "taste", so you replace "to believe" with "to know", as if that supports what is impossible-to-support.

As I stated earlier :

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Post #4 : The problem here is the mis-use of the meaning of the verb "to know".
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Sassy : you and Fred mean with "to know" that it is a reality, not that it is just your personal perception. In this specific case the unsupported claim that "God" exists. But the existence of "God" has NEVER been a reality, because it is based on BELIEF.

Sassy : your personal PERCEPTION may be that "God" exists. But that is NOT the same as that "God" exists!!

"God's" existence you can either BELIEVE (no problem), or be proved (no problem neither).
But till you can prove that, changing/replacing words do not matter a single iota to the fact that "God's" existence has so far NEVER been proved.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Darnit, dragged me in again. Okay, one last comment.

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Again, going back to my breakfast a month ago analogy. I KNOW what I had for Break fast a month ago (2 eggs, toast etc). I have absolutely no way to prove that to the world but it does not change the fact that I KNOW what I had for breakfast that day

Sassy, I know that eggs exist, I've personally eaten eggs before, as well as toast, therefore I have no reason to dispute your claim of having eaten eggs and toast two months ago. It's a logical claim and entirely possible.

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So I don't know why you take offense to my saying I know God

I take no offensce in you saying you know God, I take offence in you saying you know God exists, because, unless you have proof that God exists, you cannot know that He does.

Unlike the eggs and toast, there is no proof of Gods existensce.

know (n)
v. knew (n, ny), known (nn), know·ing, knows
v.tr.
1. To perceive directly; grasp in the mind with clarity or certainty.
2. To regard as true beyond doubt: I know she won't fail

ex·ist (g-zst)
Intr.v. ex·ist·ed, ex·ist·ing, ex·ists
1. To have actual being; be real.
2. To have life; live:

Do you understand now why we have a problem with your claim?

I think I am getting these threads confused... but then again, is there REALLY much of a difference between the two?

Maybe the two should be merged and then closed at the same time, it would save some time. ;)

I've read like the first and last page of this post. Sassyt, did you have some experience that proved to you god exists? I ask, because paul had a supernatural experience, which definitely impacted his life.

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Originally Posted by cogs

sassyt, did you have some experience that proved to you god exists?

I posted elsewhere the following post about the same problem with sassyT's argumentation ( GOD is amazing! - post # 128 ) :

sassyT believes in "God" etc. etc. etc.
Fine with me. No problem with that. From me she may believe whatever she wants.

sassyT CLAIMS to know science and the scientific method and way of operation of science, but misuses science to attack evolution and origin of the universe and of life, and shows almost no scientific knowledge and capability of argumentation herself. Apparently all she can rely on is her BELIEF.
sassyT FAILS each time when asked to support her own ideas with any scientific evidence, but claims than the freedom to BELIEVE that .
sassyT is clearly not a reliable source, but is instead a fanatic fundamentalist creationist running at the leash of the ICR and sort like organisations.

sassyT became rather irritated when all her posts here ended in the conclusion that whatever she CLAIMED to be was what she BELIEVED to be.
It is for that reason that sassyT started this nonsense about "to know" instead of "to believe".
And as long as this topic remains open I will keep posting about her "to know" nonsense.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

No sassy : you do NOT know that "God" exists...

Again Cred, this is just your subjective opinion and I respect it. ;)

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Originally Posted by sassyT

Again Cred, this is just your subjective opinion and i respect it.

The only subjective opinion here is YOURS, sassyT!!
It is you who makes WILD RELIGIOUS CLAIMS that you can't support!!

And it is YOU who replaces the word (to) "BELIEVE" with (to) "KNOW", as if that has more value and/or validity... How silly of you!! All you prove with that is a lack of real conviction in what you believe...

:D :D :D :D :D :D

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

The only subjective opinion here is YOURS, sassyT !!!
It is you who makes WILD RELIGIOUS CLAIMS that you can't support !!!

And it is YOU who replaces the word (to) "BELIEVE" with (to) "KNOW", as if that has more value and/or validity .... How silly of you !!! All you prove with that is a lack of real conviction in what you believe ....

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Lol... :rolleyes:
Cred thank you for your input and your opinions, like I have said before, I respect all of the above opinions you have of me. Although your opinions are far from reality, I still respect them. Thank you ;)

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

No sassy : you do NOT know that "God" exists....

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Prove it.

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Originally Posted by sassyT

Prove it.

I do not have to. I used the same meaning of "to know" as you do : I ACCEPT that as correct.

As soon as you can PROVE to me that God exist, I will PROVE to you that your "to know" is more than "to believe".

:rolleyes: :D :rolleyes: :D :rolleyes: :D

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

As soon as you can PROVE to me that God exist, I will PROVE to you that your "to know" is more than "to believe".

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Again Cred. You are missing the Point. I did not say God's existence is a fact and I can prove it, I just said my Knowledge of his existence is a fact.. lol there is a big difference there. I know God exists and unless you can prove otherwise, your disputing my knowledge is nothing but hot air, subjective opinionated babble. ;)

Without evidence your knowledge is nothing but hot air, subjective opinionated babble.

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Originally Posted by sassyT

I know God exists and unless you can prove otherwise, your disputing my knowledge is nothing but hot air, subjective opinionated babble.

SassyT : you still seem unable to understand that I do not have to prove anything. I do not claim anything.
I do not claim that "God" exists.
I do not claim that "God" does not exist.
You claim you "know" that "God" exists, but every time you are asked to prove that in any way you fail to do so.

To know in this respect and in this context means that you have proof.
I ask you to detail your supporting source for that "proof".
Anyone who would have such "proof" would be glad to do so.
I note that you however fail to provide that "proof".
Remains the strong possibility that you don't have any "proof", and that you only have a lot of hot air, subjective opinionated babble...

Why don't you prove me wrong ?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Yes, this is SassyT, I have been gone so long I forgot my password. Oh well, I am BACK and I am still more certain that ever that I know God exists. :D

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

SassyT : you still seem unable to understand that I do not have to prove anything. I do not claim anything.

Are you sure about that Cred?

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I do not claim that "God" exists.
I do not claim that "God" does not exist.

But you DO claim I don't know God exists. You are yet to prove that claim.

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

SassyT : you still seem unable to understand that I do not have to prove anything. I do not claim anything.
I do not claim that "God" exists.
I do not claim that "God" does not exist.
You claim you "know" that "God" exists, but everytime you are asked to prove that in any way you fail to do so.

To know in this respect and in this context means that you have proof.
I ask you to detail your supporting source for that "proof".
Anyone who would have such "proof" would be glad to do so.

Cred,

This argument is so stale. I have seen a number of people on different boards give you proof. We recently had a thread of over 500 posts here discussing the proof, buit no matter what is presented, you refuse to accept it because you refuse to believe anything that shows that there is in fact a God.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Cred,

This argument is so stale. I have seen a number of people on different boards give you proof. We recently had a thread of over 500 posts here discussing the proof, buit no matter what is presented, you refuse to accept it because yopu refuse to believe anything that shows that there is in fact a God.

He is just in denail. Like Richard Dawkins

The argument by Cred et al seems to go kind of like this.

We can't see, smell, touch, taste, feel or hear God with our physical senses, ergo, God does not exist.

The same argument could be made for Cred's brain. (Don't go ballistic here)

I cannot see, smell, touch, taste, feel or hear your brain, ergo, it doesn't exist.

Sure, you post things, but how do I know where that comes from?

Where is your OSE for your brain? YOU KNOW it's there, but how do I know it?

I suppose at some future date an autopsy might prove the existence of your brain.

At some future date we may all come face to face with God, too.

This is not a personal attack. Just an attack on your reasoning.

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Originally Posted by Galveston1

We can't see, smell, touch, taste, feel or hear God with our physical senses, ergo, God does not exist.
The same argument could be made for Cred's brain. (Don't go ballistic here)
I cannot see, smell, touch, taste, feel or hear your brain, ergo, it doesn't exist.

We could MRI Cred's head or we could open up his head and look in side and see his brain if you really didn't believe it. So where is your test to prove god? Can we use an mri or look somewhere to see god no, ergo god doesn't exist by your own reasoning.

God is a faith without proof. The only ones who don't seem to understand that is the fanatics.

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Originally Posted by michealb

We could MRI Cred's head or we could open up his head and look in side and see his brain if you really didn't believe it. So where is your test to prove god? Can we use an mri or look somewhere to see god no, ergo god doesn't exist by your own reasoning.

God is a faith without proof. The only ones who don't seem to understand that is the fanatics.

Plenty of evidence has been offered on this board. Some folk just won't accept anything if they don't want to.

Actually all I've ever seen is you say there is plenty of evidence, I've never actually seen you offer any. Then you complain that we are ignoring the evidence.

God is a faith something you believe without evidence because you want to very few believers will say differently except for the few fanatics.

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Originally Posted by michealb

Actually all I've ever seen is you say there is plenty of evidence, I've never actually seen you offer any. Then you complain that we are ignoring the evidence.

Look at the thread about the evidence for God.

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I know God Exists. So why do people like Cred claim people like me dont KNOW we just Believe.

They don't know what you know, and since your lousy at explanations, and proof, they don't see where your thinking is from.

Does that change what you know?? NO! Does it matter? Not to me!

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Originally Posted by talaniman

They don't know what you know, and since your lousy at explanations, and proof, they don't see where your thinking is from.

Does that change what you know??? NO! Does it matter?? Not to me!

Odd that those who are willing to consider the evidence think that what I posted is very clear. The only ones who think that it is isn't are those who rejected God before they looked at the evidence.

Yea, I read that one and as we said in that thread your evidence doesn't conform with basic logic that 99% of the population uses.

Basically your like the guy on the street corner who thinks gerbils are about to take over the world. Sure he really believes it and he has all sorts of evidence that he is 100% certain proves his point. He isn't lying because he really does believe what he says and desperately wants you to listen. However that doesn't change the fact that he doesn't use the same logic the rest of us use when looking at what he calls evidence. You are also similar in the fact that no amount of evidence to the contrary is going to convince you that are wrong. Same condition different theories.

You just happened to latch on to something more main stream. However this may not be entirely on you either people are lured into cults all the time. People who seemingly have free will make very bad choices. It can happen to almost anyone. I've even had family members who have been lured by cults, luckily we managed to get them all out and back to reason. I feel sorry that you haven't gotten the help you need to pull you back from the edge.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Odd that those who are willing to consider the evidence think that what I posted is very clear. The only ones who think that it is isn't are those who rejected God before they looked at the evidence.

How nice of you to make assumptions about other people's viewpoints.

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Originally Posted by michealb

Yea, I read that one and as we said in that thread your evidence doesn't conform with basic logic that 99% of the population uses.

That is YOUR opinion, but it does conform with standard logic, and it does conform with scientific principles.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

How nice of you to make assumptions about other people's viewpoints.

They posted their views a long time beforehand on other threads - no assumptions.

My point was, I never have needed evidence to have a relationship with the God that I understand.

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Originally Posted by talaniman

My point was, I never have needed evidence to have a relationship with the God that I understand.

Agreed. Your explanation was unclear.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

That is YOUR opinion, but it does conform with standard logic, and it does conform with scientific principles.

Right it's is my opinion that does conform with standard logic and does conform with scientific principles. It's just you and the gerbil guy that don't.

Seriously you sound exactly like everyone else who is part of some cult. Speak with someone who was a part of a cult they will have the same standard answers you do and be just as sure of themselves.

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Originally Posted by michealb

Right it's is my opinion that does conform with standard logic and does conform with scientific principles. It's just you and the gerbil guy that don't.

Seriously you sound exactly like everyone else who is part of some cult. Speak with someone who was a part of a cult they will have the same standard answers you do and be just as sure of themselves.

You should spend more time studying the scientific method.