Exactly, but it happens again and again, will it ever end? I don't think so.
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Exactly, but it happens again and again, will it ever end? I don't think so.
Yes, of course it is what she believes, but your constant repetition of this obvious and uncontested fact, has long since ceased to contribute anything substantive to the discussion. Give it a rest, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Credendovidis
Seconded.Quote:
Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
Third. :)
Fourth.
I think we can ALL live without any of the ''that is what you believe'', ''that is your claim'', etc... from anybody.
Fifth.Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
Needs repeating - *golf clap*Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Why do religionists feel they need to attack non-believers wherever they find them? I only can think of one who regularly displays open hostility to the religious. The vast majority simply want to discuss. Why is a discusion seen as an attack?Quote:
NOhelp4U>... if an atheist can't handle religious discussion and even sometimes feel the need to attack people's religious beliefs and claim they have no beliefs why do they come here? What do they hope to accomplish?
Bravo!Quote:
Capuchin> This isn't a religious forum. It's a place for religious discussion. That is for anyone to come and discuss religion. Stop clinging onto the belief that this is your forum and the atheists are invading..
Not all atheist want to 'convert' the religious (tho all wish they would see the irrationality of their beliefs <G>). Personally, I just would like the religiuos to stop trying to influence all aspects of society and realize that not everyone shares their views nor wants to live by their religiously based rules. And that the non-religious should stop being persecuted. And, that those who do not believe in monotheism stop being persecuted.Quote:
sominoeaugie> It's simple, the Christians are attempting to convert/convince the Atheists and the Atheists are attempting to convert/convince the Christians and neither side is winning anyone over.
When the discussion is constantly pointed out as that is your belief when that should be clear since it IS the religious discussion board, it is not the fact board or the science board so as I have been saying my point is why does it have to constantly be pointed out 'that is your belief' and not accepted as such?
WVHiflyer, I do agree that most times non-believers do just want to discuss, and that there are really only two people that are consistently argumentative on this site. I will even say that there are Christians on this site that are consistently argumentative on this site. I've said it before, I'll say it again, both sides are guilty.
I wish that an open honest kind discussion could be carried out, but I don't think it's possible. It may start okay, but it quickly turns in to a fight, and then wham, the thread is closed, only to be replaced by and even more argumentative thread.
The reason that we cannot discuss peacefully is because the majority of people who do come to these threads are firm believers in their faith and will do anything and everything to defend it.
Also, allot of these threads are started just to tick off the opposing side, start an argument. I may get allot of people angry by saying this, but this thread is the perfect example of that. Credo is also known to start threads that are a jab at people who's beliefs are different than his, it's like putting bait in front of a shark.
So, one side starts it, the other side joins in, they battle, quote each other, turn eachothers words around and nothing is accomplished.
I wish I could ignore these threads, believe me I've tried, but too many times something is said and I feel the need to jump in.
I do believe in God, I pray to God, and I know, in my heart, that he exists. No one can tell me otherwise, no one will persuade me to turn my back on God. So, to me, God is a fact, not fiction, I don't need proof. To others, non-believers (not all) they are constantly harping on believers to provide proof. Not my job, if they want it they can find it.
I do not believe in the bible (what am I starting by saying that?), I do not believe in Church (another target on my back), but I do believe in God.
Am I willing to discuss whether God exists, no, because to me he does, the end.
Are most atheist willing to discuss whether God exists, no, because to them, he doesn't, the end.
So, why are we fighting, why are we trying to discuss this? Your guess is as good as mine, because really, I can't see a time or place where the opposing sides can have a rational, logical, unargumentative discussion about their views without mud slinging, name calling and fighting.
Sorry for the long post, but that's how I feel.
Peace. :)
Alt - one of the most logical posts I've seen on these types of posts. I see your snuffling hasn't affected your reasoning yet... <G> (Brandy help?)
Still snuffling, and I've lost my voice, but not my ability to type. ;)
Same for me. I just search on "evolution" and it nearly always comes up in Religion for some reason. If people are seriously talking about evolution, I try to put some accurate information out there if I have time. I don't browse religion and am not interested in purely religious discussions. I prefer to talk about evolution in the science section, where discussions are much calmer. The word appeared in this thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by Capuchin
Amen!Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
But again, you're talking about ONE person on this board; please don't lump the rest of the non-believers in with someone who does not represent our views or opinions. There are plenty of non-believers on this site who simply discuss.Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
Both sides aren't guilty - those individuals are guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
People need to remember to deal with individuals on this site how they see fit, and not lump everyone together because of a few a-holes. Personally, I advocate the "ignore" button. It is, by far, my favorite feature of this site! :)
I agree Jillianbean and I did not mean to make it sound like everybody I meant 'those that have a problem with Christians not specifying I believe before every thing they say.
Atheists try to disprove the existence of God. Deep down they believe God exists or they wouldn't try so hard to disprove Him.
I can't wait to read what Cred0 does with this one :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Shih-tzumama
(some how I already KNOW what he will do with it :rolleyes: :rolleyes: )
Seventh!Quote:
Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
Religious people do not attack non believers... But when non believers come on a religious forum and make condescending demeaning remarks about religion then you best to expect we believers are not going to take the abuse and be silent about it. After all.. it is you so called non-religious people who come on the religious forum day in day out.. it is not the other way round.Quote:
Originally Posted by WVHiflyer
I don't try to disprove god, nor do any of the atheists I personally know. Most of the ones on this board don't do that either. You are speaking about a very small minority of atheists here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shih-tzumama
I'm not trying to disprove anything. I'm discussing. Just because I question the evidence a theist uses as proof of god (a child's laugh, a sunset, etc) doesn't mean I'm trying to disprove them. My whole thing is what YOU think is proof isn't proof to ME.
It's impossible to disprove god, those who do are generally just being argumentative. God, by the very nature of what he is supposed to be, CAN'T be disproven, because he's not bound by the rules of science. You can't disprove something that is supernatural, it's impossible. Science doesn't try to disprove the existence of god, it tries to explain the world.
This is the heart of the matter, and I concur.Quote:
Originally Posted by jillianleab
I have often been surprised to find that there are some real jerks who share some of my opinions about some things. It's good to be reminded of that, I think. It reminds me that my opinions are far less revealing of who I really am than I'm sometimes tempted to think.
Sassy, I hate to disagree, but from my understanding, the Religious Discussions board was actually started specifically for people like Cred. We have other discussion forums, like the Christianity forum etc. From what I've been told they started this board in order to stop the fighting on the Christianity boards, because before Religious Discussions was opened up, that's the only place atheists could go to express their views.Quote:
Originally Posted by sassyT
Now I do have to say that the Religious Discussions board isn't being used the way I think it was intended. I think the mods etc had hoped to give atheists a place to express their views, not a place to bash other peoples beliefs. I realize that really only one person is guilty of that to the extreme, but as long as we come here and voice our opinions on this persons chosen topics, we are just feeding the troll, so to speak.
Just my thoughts on the matter. I still wish we could discuss all this with an open mind and heart, but I really cannot see that happening any time soon.
I'm guilty too, I've let myself get dragged into discussions way too often, and I have to say that because of my disappointing discussions (more like fights) with one atheist, I tend to be on guard with all the other atheists. It's human nature, once you've been burned you try not to stick you hand in the fire again.
I will still be on guard with that one person, but for the rest of you, that don't share the same beliefs I do, I value all of you, your input to this site and your right to believe what you want, I hope you can do the same for me, knowing most of you as I do I'm sure you will. :)
Jillian, I think that's very well put. And not only is it impossible to disprove the existence of a God, by the same argument, it's impossible to prove that a God exists. Science just can't do that, prove or disprove that kind of thing one way or the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by jillianleab
Yes. And likewise, there are many people who disagree with me about important things--like the existence of God or who should be president--who I really like and admire.Quote:
Originally Posted by ordinaryguy
I'd give you a greenie if I could.Quote:
white-rose?> People with religions are the ones with guidelines stating how they should live their lives and treat other human beings. Atheist's don't have a belief, so how does that affect a Christian at all?
... I'll admit some Atheist's are rude and ignorant and are wrong to ridicule someone for having a religion because its not their life. But it seems there are an equal amount of Christians who do the same thing. They make blunt accusations about how an Atheist must live their life, and they are evil and depressed and hate themselves etc. How could you come to that conclusion about a person because they have no religion? I never thought a good Christian person could say such things about another. But obviously they can. And it makes me think, why would I want to belong to a religion where the people in it can't even follow their own rules?
I could just as easily say the correlative: The religious try so hard to convince others of their faith because deep down they don't really believe.Quote:
Shih-tzumama> Atheists try to disprove the existence of God. Deep down they believe God exists or they wouldn't try so hard to disprove Him.
And it would be just as 'true.'
Hear, hear!Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
I'm actually surprised that so many discussions about God happen between atheists and Christians, what do we hope to accomplish by doing this?
Personally I believe in everyone's right to believe whatever they want, I won't try to persuade you to believe in God, if you don't try to persuade me not to. What matters to me is not what you believe, but what kind of person you are, if you're a good person that's all that matters.
Group hug? ;):)
A big one (even if there are 2 I think I'd like to leave out <VBSEG>)Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
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Originally Posted by WVHiflyer
They're not here right now, so it's all good. :) So I'll start, big hug to you WVHiflyer. :)
You realize that this will all hit the fan when those 2 come back, right? ;)
:pQuote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
NOhelp4u,:p that was indeed one of most quick, truthful and funniest comments I've seen on this board or any board.. Good going…I am still laughing. :p
:p
Laughter is good for the soul. Where is the Christian board? I have not seem one.
Hugs back (tho I'm wearing a face mask so you can keep your flu :rolleyes: )Quote:
Originally Posted by Altenweg
And... Oh, yeah... :p
I have read through all of your posts in this thread. I want to say that I am very happy with my beliefs, and I am glad to read others also. However, I do want to say, if not believing in anything makes some people, under a guise of being a non-believer, spew venomous words, and be full of hatred, I will stick to my belief in God. Which incidentally, I would have regardless.
I know this isn't the belief or actions of all atheists, but the two I have encountered on this thread seem to be very self-righteous, and absorbed in a world of their own. They attack others on a personal level, and act like school yard kids.
A discussion does not call for such child-like behaviour, with the very obvious, and ever present bullying behaviour. To catagorize every Christian, or someone who believes in God and Jesus, is only the same as catagorizing all Atheists and their personal beliefs! It's called Freedom of Religion, and everyone has a right to believe in what they choose.
If the two right wing Atheists want to argue the point of God's existence, then why don't they sit down and share their beliefs, and maybe then have a civilized discussion where others can learn, instead of coming here to name call and try to demean people with your one sided belief.
It wouldn't matter what beliefs I had. I would never think of talking to others that try and be respectful, the way certain people here have chosen to behave! They are the words of very uninformed and immature people, that do not have the class to talk in a civilized manner. You know who you are.
I must leave and feed my unicorn. I think he wants toast!
Home > Society & Culture > Religion » ChristianityQuote:
Originally Posted by tsila1777
Of course, that is a place to discuss Christianity, whether you are Christian or not.
Wow sassyT, you're a very angry young Christian, you need to get some help.
First you say that you 'never said this was a religious forum' and then you start the next sentence with 'this is a religious forum', then you verbally attack some poor guy for responding to a question you specifically designed to be answered by atheists.
What is your deal? Your obviously looking for an argument and then running into playing the victim, if your representing Christians in this OPEN forum, then your really giving them a bad rep.
At first I felt a little sad for you being harassed whilst trying to speak to other like minded people on these religious forums- but now I can see that you're the one creating all the problems.
If you feel like making yourself any angrier you should check out Intelligent : Design - Message from the Designers
I'm sure that will have you spinning in a rage for days! Lol
With all due respect, you haven't been here long enough to understand how the discussions on this forum have been turned inside out. I completely understood the point that Sassy was trying to make here. I'm sure you will also, if you go through and read previous discussions.
Also, you say 'Almost 80% of Americans are Christians', this reminds me of a poster in the Simpsons, it read: 50 million smokers can't be wrong!
Ha ha ha ha, and by the way Unicorns never used rhetoric to commit genocide.
Just because America was founded by Christian people doesn't make it a Christian country, that's why your bill of rights gives all Americans religious freedom.
If you really want to live as a true Christian you'd move out of the USA and to the middle east where Christianity begun.
Do your homework first! I happen to live in Canada for one thing, and if you were trying to quote me?. I was not the one that gave any stats. Please learn your way around this site and read up on what you have missed. Just the fact that you are quoting "The Simpsons" makes me giggle! The unicorn statement was tongue in cheek somewhat, and if you watch the "Simpsons" I think you would understand the humour in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtemisAlexis
Actually starbuck8, I wasn't quoting you, I hadn't seen your post when I responded for the second time, you could probably have figured that out on your own by the way I was writing, and seeings as you have already worked out that I'm a new user and not use to navigating around the site, I find it doubly surprising that you couldn't figure out I wasn't responding to you.
And I'm not even going to respond to the simpsons statement, your just not worth the effort:eek:
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