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All mankind can be saved from the wrath of God by the love of God, but only on very narrow terms: "one sacrifice for sin". Nothing else will do (Hebrews 10:12,14).Quote:
I asked, is there only one WAY
The "way of salvation" is open to anyone, but it is the only way, and irrevocably laid down by God in law. It isn't subject to negotiation, or a matter in which one has a number of options. You either comply with this law and obtain "salvation", or else you remain "lost".
Well said. Now get ready for all of the "bible bingo", "cherry-picking", and "You want to see the people you hate in hell," comments.Quote:
The "way of salvation" is open to anyone, but it is the only way, and irrevocably laid down by God in law. It isn't subject to negotiation, or a matter in which one has a number of options. You either comply with this law and obtain "salvation", or else you remain "lost".
Law? No, it's Love -- Love beyond measure.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Only Christians can be saved?
Yes, God is exclusive as to how people can be saved; there is only one way back to God as there is only one way sin can be dealt with.
But, no; the fact that there is one way does not mean God is showing favouritism or elisitism, because God is universal in his offering of that salvation to all people through the good news of the gospel.
All those billions of people who never heard the Gospel, what about them?Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
And they gave God names, such as Zeus, Brahma and Vishnu, the Great Spirit, Jehovah Elohim, Xwede, Bhagavan, Huitzilopochtli, Inti, and Akai Purakh.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened...and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
"There is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved- and there is salvation in no one else."
Believe the Bible or believe you. Pretty straightforward choice.
Is this really of your concern?Quote:
All those billions of people who never heard the Gospel, what about them?
Paul explains to the church leaders from Ephesus that he considers himself "innocent of the blood of all men"(Acts 20:16) because he has faithfully explained the gospel to every person he could.
Yes! And what Paul said to excuse himself ftom blame has nothing to do with my question.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
This has nothing to do with WG's question. It is from Paul's letter to the Romans which you have cherry-picked to take it entirely out of context. Liar, liar, pants on fire!
WHAT A FRAUD YOU ARE!
That has nothing to do with what I said. They lived long before the Bible was even thought of, or, if it had been written, had no knowledge of it. They simply looked at the wonders of nature and the world around them, and realized that a power beyond their ken had been at work and was still at work in their lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Of course, it is. Isn't it your concern? Do you just ignore all those billions to rot in hell? Hardly very Christ-like.Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
What about them? Are you worried they will be lost forever? It's not for you to decide.Quote:
All those billions of people who never heard the Gospel, what about them?
Perhaps understanding the exclusivity of salvation together with the doctrine of election may help
us understand why this is not our concern.
Where do you get this stuff?Quote:
They lived long before the Bible was even thought of
Am I worried? Aren't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
Exclusivity? Doctrine of election? Sounds like a very private club.Quote:
Perhaps understanding the exclusivity of salvation together with the doctrine of election may help
us understand why this is not our concern.
Yes, God is exclusive as to how people can be saved; there is only one way back to God as there is only one way sin can be dealt with.Quote:
Exclusivity? Doctrine of election? Sounds like a very private club.
But, no; the fact that there is one way does not mean God is showing favouritism or elisitism, because God is universal in his offering of that salvation to all people through the good news of the gospel.
Should I be?Quote:
Am I worried? Aren't you?
Needless worry. It is irrelevant to this discussion.Quote:
All those billions of people who never heard the Gospel, what about them?
What about the people who never heard the gospel?Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
First I had to laugh at all the drama. "Liar, liar pants on fire!" Is this a second grade classroom?Quote:
This has nothing to do with WG's question. It is from Paul's letter to the Romans which you have cherry-picked to take it entirely out of context. Liar, liar, pants on fire!
WHAT A FRAUD YOU ARE!
You must not have read her question. It's the same one you just asked, and it certainly addresses it as well as her follow up about Zeus, etc.
Truth is, you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar, and now you are desperate for everyone else to be as guilty as you are. Good luck with that.
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since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
What about the people who lived before the Bible was written and who never knew of God and His offering of salvation?Quote:
Originally Posted by waltero
They're going to an eternal, fiery hell?Quote:
Needless worry. It is irrelevant to this discussion.
I agree. This passage has nothing to do with the current topic of conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
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