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Originally Posted by jrwild62

Can I choose my kind of happiness?? Ummm Yes. Can U? That statement means you are not in control of your own life. Who controls it? If not you?

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YOU told me I would wake up happy every morning and would be happy eating cake and ice cream, or some such. The things you mentioned would not make me happy.

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If I created the universe, we would all be happy and eat well without gaining a single pound. Food would naturally grow in the fields for free picking. We would all be naked and unashamed. There would no such thing as money,, no need for it. People would wake up everyday and feel extreme happiness. Happiness to the point of falling down laughing in pure joy. There would be no crime, no sickness, Peiople would be happy and healthy for 1000 years and go to sleep one day one there 1000th birthday. Chocolate cake and ice cream would be healhty. There would be no cars, electricity, computers, phones Government, taxes, Dr. Phil, Judge Judy, just freedom and fun. A 1000 picnic. I ask,, What's wrong with that??

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I don't want to give up my computer or my Neon or my cell phone.

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Originally Posted by jrwild62

I think happy is happy. There is no debate there. Do you have a smile on your face? Thats happy. Just try to enjoy your days

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You don't know what happy is.

Moved to discussion board.
... even though there was nothing suggested for discussion...

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Originally Posted by jrwild62

SAB, Cruelty in Genesis
God KILLS and KILLS again. And after he is done killing, he kills more.

FR_Chuck will ban me now for QUOTING the Bible. Enough said.....

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True - read through Judges and Joshua and Revelation for more gore.

If you believe in God, that God has put a moral sense of right and wrong in you, and your question about God killing is at odds with your sense of right and wrong. But consider that we are His creations, we cannot know what is ultimately just. Read through the book of Job.

The Bible starts that way, but read the Bible the whole way through, and there is eternal life and happiness for some. There is justice in the end.





Now, if you do not believe in God, the whole question of "God killing" is a false question, designed to stir up debate.

If there is no God, and we are just chance beings that exist, then we know that life, death, murder etc are just part of the chance randomness that somehow came to be.

jrwild62,
As recorded in the bible God kills or orders people killed for several reasons.
God is the ultimate judge.
He is the one big boss.
He uses death as the ultimate punishment.
He also kills to protect those He wants to protect at a particular time.
A person could think of it this way.
Though a person loves his/her dog the dog is put to death because it disobeys by biting people.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)

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Originally Posted by arcura

jrwild62,
As recorded in the bible God kills or orders people killed for several reasons.
God is the ultimate judge.
He is the one big boss.
He uses death as the ultimate punishment.
He also kills to protect those He wants to protect at a particular time.
A person could think of it this way.
Though a person loves his/her dog the dog is put to death because it disobeys by biting people.
Peace and kindness,
Fred (arcura)

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Sorry, but I don't quite buy your analogy. You say someone puts a dog down because it disobeys by biting people - you are talking about causing actual, physical harm. You didn't say "disobeys by peeing on the rug" or "pulling on the leash". You are talking about physiclal harm.

The bible god kills people who cause no harm whatsoever, such as killing children who tease a bald man. Your god allows all sorts of child molestors, rapists, murders and other horrid people live long, long lives; but kills a couple of kids for teasing a bald man? Sounds like a bully to me.

It's good to know that God won't punish me like he punishes believers that are babies.

jillianleab,
Since God is the ultimate in love, mercy, understanding, justice, and wisdom wisdom there is no way that I or anyone can fully understand why He has done certain things and not done others.
I have had some of the same questions about His justice regarding certain recorded episodes mentioned in the bible such as has been mentioned here.
But I am but a frail human being with limited wisdom and understanding. In this life I will never know it all, if ever.
So, though I may question God to try to understand I realize that I can not unless He explains it to me clearly and simply.
So far He has not.
So I have given you the answer that I was able to come up with.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

jillianleab,
Since God is the ultimate in love, mercy, understanding, justice, and wisdom wisdom there is no way that I or anyone can fully understand why He has done certain things and not done others.
I have had some of the same questions about His justice regarding certain recorded episodes mentioned in the bible such as has been mentioned here.
But I am but a frail human being with limited wisdom and understanding. In this life I will never know it all, if ever.
So, though I may question God to try to understand I realize that I can not unless He explains it to me clearly and simply.
So far He has not.
So I have given you the answer that I was able to come up with.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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I had a feeling this would be your response. I don't need you to explain god's actions to me, I understand (to you) that's impossible. But please understand, these are the types of things which bring doubt and skepticism to people. People want answers, you can't give them. That's OK.

But really, I just wanted to point out the flaw in your analogy - might want to think of a new, more accurate one! :)

If you can't understand his actions how on earth are you suppose to understand orders third party orders. Sounds to me like you know nothing about god or if there is even one. Excellent revelation you have had

Sorry , but this post even in discussion has gotten to the point of being offensive and so misguided it has no real discussion.