Ask Me Help Desk - Do you hope for or believe in a life after this one?

germain,
Thank you much for your clarification.
Yes, I agree that the "big stuff" you refer to MAY be on the way soon, and maybe not.
Tests for what they are looking for may fail for some believe that "the God particle" and others don't exist as theorized to be now.
Proving that unseen, unproven "dark matter" exists would be amazing, but some believe it does not exist, that something else is afoot in the universe to cause the galaxies to act as they do.
The same with dark energy causing the expansion of the universe.
Some believe that there is a different explanation still un-found.
So goes science.
Lots of questions in the past answered but many more new ones arise from them.
It is a sequence that will go on and on. Often when a new answer is found more questions will soon be asked.
It's exciting.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I refer to post #28 by germain in which she stated :

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Originally Posted by germain

If you all believe what science has to say about these things than listen to this ..Science has theorys on other dimensions. They have not proved them but they are trying now.

There are more dimensions that just width, height, and depth. There is also time.
Then there are several other proven dimensions, and several other suggested dimensions.

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Originally Posted by germain

If you wanna see for yourself look up Large Hadron Collider ..I've been following up with it for a long time now. Even science has theorys that other dimensions exist so much so that they are building this giant machine to prove or disprove of these other dimensions.

"Even science"? Science is the only one that suggests and proves other dimensions.

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Originally Posted by germain

You can relate these other dimensions to life after death for if they exist it clearly proves theres something more to this life.

That is a nonsensical statement. Other dimensions have nothing to do with life after death.
Nothing in science clearly proves spiritual claims like life after death.
As far as science is concerned there is/are no god deities.

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Originally Posted by germain

Basically the machine will shoot two photon beams at the speed of light ,

Incorrect ! First of all photons always travel at light speed.
Cern is using "hadrons" (in this case either protons or (lead) ions). Nothing made of matter can ever reach the speed of light, as it would require more than all the energy present in the universe to speed up even one single proton to lightspeed.

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Originally Posted by germain

.... they will circle the giant machine and will crash against each other smashing the atoms so hard they will break into the smallest of pieces.

As stated : photons are not used, and hadrons are not atoms.

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Now there is a theory on black hole being created by this.

Not a theory. Just a thesis. A suggested possibility.

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If indeed a black hole is created (mind you even black holes are theorys up to date) ...

Incorrect ! The existence of black holes have been confirmed by scientific means. They are not a thesis, but a fact. Actually the ides of a black hole is rather simple, logical, and convincing.

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Originally Posted by germain

....it will suck in some pieces of the atom and they will "vanish into thin air" proving they went into another dimension.

Incorrect ! They will not "vanish into thin air" but just simply get pushed together by gravity so hard that light (radiation) can no longer escape from them, i.e. can't be seen, i.e. they become a black hole.

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Originally Posted by germain

So when they do launch this project look for a big clue to life after death there.

Incorrect ! The Cern Hadron Collider is developed to investigate the structure of matter.
Cern has nothing to do with "life after death", or intends to do anything in the spiritual field. Neither will any outcome of CERN be reflecting to "life after death".

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Follow this link to more info on the Cern Hadron Collider experiments ....

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Originally Posted by germain

I dont know what part of the "Large Hadron Collider" you guys didn't pick up!

Well my previous post shows that your original article was far from accurate...

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Originally Posted by germain

This is the most extraordianry scientific achievement EVER. It will be launched very soon.

Incorrect ! The collider has already been activated in July-August and went for seconds to full power 2 weeks ago, after which it was stopped to warm up for repair (official statement refers to Liquid Helium leaks).
First it would be out of action for two months, but some hours ago it was officially announced that it will be out of action till spring 2009.
(See the link I provided in my previous post, and the link in that one to topics on Cern elsewhere on the board).

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Originally Posted by germain

They are recreating what happens milliseconds after the "big bang".

Incorrect ! Nothing can "recreate" whatever happened directly after the Big Bang.
What really is intended to be done is to use the LHC to recreate the conditions just after the Big Bang.
What actually happens is that the matter of the colliding hadrons will be smashed to pieces (literally), and that may result in particles (of most probably extremely short existence) that we do not yet know from previous experiments.

The similarity to the Big Bang ends with that. Just after the Big Bang such small particles may have existed for a short period, before they combined into other bigger particles. If such small particles do not appear, science may have to review the theory on what is matter !

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Originally Posted by germain

Do you realize how much theorys will be proved and disproved by this expirement?

I do, but you clearly don't. It is not the intention to prove anything with these experiments.
Neither will any existing theories be proved or disproved.
It may be necessary to upgrade some theories or thesis, similar to Newtons Theory of Gravity had to be upgraded by the new Theories by Einstein on Relativity.

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.... all the sci-fi stuff time travel....

Incorrect ! The Captain Kirk stories are and remain science fiction. They are Holywood products and have nothing to do with science. Nor with reality. They are just fun.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Altenweg and Cred,
I also wish him well and am sorry to hear that he has gone.
Fred

I cannot believe there is a god because where did he get his knowledge from I do believe in jesus but I think he was a alien or a clone from the future, wandering star=ufo walking on water anti-gravity belt, cream that disolves catteract on eyes, image of jesus after death a hollogram, etc I do believe in after life but after we have gone through many deaths and experienced different ways of living therefore at the end we meet like wise souls. Just a thought. Chris.

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Originally Posted by QUACKERS

... i do believe in jesus but i think he was a alien or a clone from the future

Of course you may BELIEVE anything you want, Chris !

But I prefer to live with reality. With Objective Supporting Evidence (OSE) as guideline for my life and worldview.

For me as freethinker no Captain Kirk and going to where nobody went before, no aliens on earth (I do accept the possibility of the existence of aliens elsewhere in the universe), no time travel, no religion, no creation, no supra-natural entities, no afterlife.

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QUACKERS,
Yours is an interesting belief.
However I do not believe as you do and particularly the alien bit and the many lives.
Thanks for sharing your beliefs with us.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

QUACKERS, are you referring to reincarnation? That is until you are some kind of 'satisfied' and no more relive another life? Because I know someone like that...

EDIT: But I do reject that idea of alien, as Fred said.

Unknown008,
To my way of thinking reincarnation is a system of one punishing life after another.
It taught that it is a way fro a person to improve himself, BUT that person does not remember his/her past lives so they continually make the same mistakes or others, and must suffer through another many lives.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

Unknown008,
To my way of thinking reincarnation is a system of one punishing life after another.
It taught that it is a way fro a person to improve himself, BUT that person does not remember his/her past lives so they continually make the same mistakes or others, and must suffer through another many lives.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

But if you move up from cockroach to rabbit to horse to human, you won't make the same mistakes since the lifestyles are totally different.

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Originally Posted by arcura

To my way of thinking reincarnation is a system of one punishing life after another.

Funny suggestion, Fred, from one who believes in one life followed by an eternal existence in either heaven or hell - both an eternal punishment in my views...

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

But if you move up from cockroach to rabbit to horse to human, you won't make the same mistakes since the lifestyles are totally different.

Not to forget that you may also move down from human to horse to rabbit to cockroach to banana "tree", etc.

But may be that is not down at all...

:rolleyes:

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Tir na Nog- or the Land of Eternal Youth-
I'm Pagan myself, and I believe in the afterlife
From to story of Oisin in Tir na Nog...

"Delightful is the land beyond all dreams,
Fairer than anything your eyes have ever seen.
There all the year the fruit is on the tree,
And all the year the bloom is on the flower.

"There with wild honey drip the forest trees;
The stores of wine and mead shall never fail.

Nor pain nor sickness knows the dweller there,
Death and decay come near him never more.

"The feast shall cloy not, nor the chase shall tire,
Nor music cease for ever through the hall;
The gold and jewels of the Land of Youth
Outshine all splendors ever dreamed by man."

-Excerpt from Celtic Myths and Legends, by T. W. Rolleston.

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Originally Posted by spyderglass

.... I'm Pagan myself, and I believe in the afterlife from to story of Oisin in Tir na Nog...

Interesting view...
As I always say : from me you may believe what ever you prefer...

:rolleyes:

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I don't believe in an afterlife, but I believe I'll be thoroughly recycled, which is a sort of reincarnation. But then I am already being constantly recycled, as my proteins are degraded, excreted, and replaced by new molecules and new atoms.

I don't believe in a soul or in the concept of ensoulment. I don't think there is any evidence for a soul, an afterlife, or reincarnation. But if someone else believes, and it makes them feel better, why should I object? As long as they don't hurt or threaten anyone else. I do object when people say that someone else is going to hell (or similar) just because they don't share the same beliefs; that seems like a threat to me, even if, from my point of view, an empty one. It's the thought that counts!

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I don't believe in an afterlife ....

I agree. But at the other hand I accept that part of me lives on after my death.
(Part of) my genes have been copied to my children and grandchildren, and in that way part of me (my identity) will live on.

As to continuous recycling : indeed : spot on !
Also on the soul or in the concept of ensoulment. No evidence for soul, afterlife, or reincarnation, heaven, hell, deities, entities, ghosts, spirits, angles, elfs, fairies, leprechauns, cluricauns, far darrig, silkies, banshees, changelings, etc. etc.

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So...
Spread thy seed and live forever!!
Ha ha ha
:)

Very interesting discussions on this right now.
Thanks.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

(Part of) my genes have been copied to my children and grandchildren, and in that way part of me (my identity) will live on.

True. But our genes will be passed on even we don't have children. :)

There are so many humans now and we are so genetically diverse that there's little chance that any important genes will be lost even if lots of people have no children.

Even particular combinations of genes are ephemeral. In a few generations, your genome is so diluted (your children have half your genes, your grandchildren 1/4, your great grand children 1/8, the next generation 1/16) that it's like your particular and unique combination of genes never existed. Anyway, something similar is likely to come up again in another throw of the genetic dice somewhere else in the world. We are all immortal until our species goes extinct (which it will), continuously alive through one another's children.

Biophilosophy 101

asking,
Yes that is true.
But keep in mind that we are made of start stuff and will all go back to being star stuff.
Our atoms and energies will continue until after the universe burns itself out, but even then the mass will still be there.
Our spirits are another matter entirely.
Peace and kindness,
Fred