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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Incorrect : they BELIEVE it is reality. But is it ? That only can be concluded from the provided support.

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It is their perceived reality and it is not for you to box it up and put your stamp of approval on it... and they DON'T have to provide you a preponderance of evidence in order for it to be valid in their minds that is what is great about a free society

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Originally Posted by mountain_man

STANDING OVATION

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Thanks, mm! :D

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Originally Posted by mountain_man

It is their perceived reality and it is not for you to box it up and put your stamp of approval on it.

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I do not. All I do is QUERY the religious claims here. From me anyone may believe whatever he/she wants to BELIEVE. But that does not mean that whatever one BELIEVES is reality. This is a DISCUSSIONS BOARD, NOT a religious Q&A board.

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Originally Posted by mountain_man

...and they DON'T have to provide you a preponderance of evidence in order for it to be valid in their minds that is what is great about a free society.

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True. But than I am fully allowed to QUERY whatever is claimed here if that is reality or not.

YOU CAN NOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS !!!

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

I did not mention Christianity.
This topic has NOTHING to do with Christianity.


I did not mention Christianity.
This topic has NOTHING to do with Christianity.

I posted on the Religious Discussions board about what are Religious Discussions. The first time the word Christianity came into the topic was in your reaction.
Many posters here may be unaware that "Religious Discussions" is not the same as "Christian Discussions".
But you as Moderator/Christianity Expert should at least know the difference, even with your own bias.

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The biggest problem with your argumentation is that you aren't logical. You're entire argument amounts to "I don't see, I don't believe it."

But the fact is, there are many things you don't see which you believe. You believe in gravity don't you?

Do you see gravity? No, nobody does. All you see are the results of gravity. The evidence points to the existence of a force called gravity. But you take for granted that you believe in gravity.

By the same token, we believe in God. Do we see God walking and talking to us. Some do. But most of us only see the results of what He has done. We understand that He must have created this universe because no unintelligent, lifeless matter could have done something so beautiful and intelligent.

Sincerely,

De Maria

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Do you see gravity? No, nobody does. All you see are the results of gravity. The evidence points to the existence of a force called gravity. But you take for granted that you believe in gravity.

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Why would any sane person BELIEVE in gravity?
Gravity exists. If you don't believe it exists, hold a block of concrete 1 meter up above your foot, and let it go. Or jump in a gorge.
The results can be forcasted with 100% certainty, and are always the same. For everyone. Everywhere. Therefore it is a FACT.

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Originally Posted by De Maria

By the same token, we believe in God. Do we see God walking and talking to us.

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Those who see that may also see the guys in the white dresses and the straitjackets, coming to take them away...

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Originally Posted by De Maria

Some do. But most of us only see the results of what He has done. We understand that He must have created this universe because no unintelligent, lifeless matter could have done something so beautiful and intelligent.

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"Some do". But that means that the results can NOT be forcasted, and surely NOT with 100% certainty, and are NOT always the same. NOT for everyone. NOT everywhere. Therefore it is a NOT a FACT.

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Why would any sane person BELIEVE in gravity?
Gravity exists. If you don't believe it exists, hold a block of concrete 1 meter up above your foot, and let it go. Or jump in a gorge.
The results can be forcasted with 100% certainty, and are always the same. For everyone. Everywhere. Therefore it is a FACT.

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Are you saying then that Gravity is proven true by science?

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Those who see that may also see the guys in the white dresses and the straitjackets, coming to take them away...


"Some do". But that means that the results can NOT be forcasted, and surely NOT with 100% certainty, and are NOT always the same. NOT for everyone. NOT everywhere. Therefore it is a NOT a FACT.

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Sure they can. We believe that God gives us life. I forecast with 99.999% accuracy that you will wake up again tomorrow.

I believe that God provides my food. I forecast with 99.999% that I will eat breakfast in about 1 hour.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Cred : Why would any sane person BELIEVE in gravity?

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Are you saying then that Gravity is proven true by science?

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Once more : don't you ever read replies to you ?

THERE ARE NO "TRUE'S IN SCIENCE" !!!

All there is in science are thesis : explanations of what is observed, supported as far as possible with OSE.
"True" is used in religious statements to provide them with a smell of support - but that support they lack completely. The religious "true" is an empty word without any meaning.

Cred : (on deMaria's claim "But most of us only see the results of what He has done.")
"Some do". But that means that the results can NOT be forcasted, and surely NOT with 100% certainty, and are NOT always the same. NOT for everyone. NOT everywhere. Therefore it is a NOT a FACT.

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Sure they can. We believe that God gives us life. I forecast with 99.999% accuracy that you will wake up again tomorrow.

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I thought we were seriously discussing here. The subject was the validity of religious claims.
Anyway : 99.999% accuracy is not 100%, so there is NO 100% certainty. Therefore it is a NOT a FACT. Just as I already stated in relation to the validty of religious claims !

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