So your church is the only correct one, the only way to salvation? There are many Catholics and Lutherans and Methodists who believe in salvation through grace (not works), through Jesus Christ.
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So your church is the only correct one, the only way to salvation? There are many Catholics and Lutherans and Methodists who believe in salvation through grace (not works), through Jesus Christ.
Wondergirl-i never said my church was the only correct one or the only way to salvation. Only the blood of christ one truly can be saved. Salvation is not found not in good works or in religion but in a person which is jesus. :)
Also
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Lutherans/luther-on_mary.htm
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Apostasy/methodists.htm
Wow! You've got Luther and Lutherans all wrong.
Maybe before you consider anything reliable for the websites that were posted you need to just look at the home page.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to Heaven!
Im sure Alex Jones is proud.
Yup, I saw that. I was just being feisty.Quote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
I wonder, ladylove25, were you raised in a family that held similar beliefs or did you research and discover that this is what made sense to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by califdadof3
I also wonder what you might believe in if you happened to be born and raised in Japan, for example... or perhaps in Egypt, or India?
Doulalc- I was raised christian and born in Florida.
Wondergirl-not my article but if you say so :)
Califdadof3- cute comment. The man who writes these articles speak the truth and provides evidence with scriptures and sources. He's not wishy washy and cowardly like some people who are christian my friend. Please view this YouTube channel who is also supporter of this website.
http://www.youtube.com/user/hensssley
Godbless friends:)
Im not so sure I would follow the teachings of a man that has to hide because he is a child molester. Very odd choice to be making if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ladylove25
This is the man that owns the website you referred to. And is preaching in the videos.
David J. Stewart Indicted for Sex with Minor | David J. Stewart Exposed!
Forgot this one.
David J. Stewart Exposed!
So you think he is the end all and be all my dear? So this is the way you show your face to us to let us know what you believe in ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ladylove25
You are charlaten, and he who you follow.
This thread should be closed before I hear anymore of your diatribe.
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Originally Posted by ladylove25
Again, I have to wonder what you would believe if you were born elsewhere. You happened to be born in Florida and raised in a Christian household. Most people follow the beliefs that they were raised to believe in.
What do you think becomes of those who were born and raised in China... Iran... Morocco... Japan, etc. where Christianity is not the most common religion?
In response to your original question... if you feel that your beliefs would be in direct conflict with this man's, and that you would not be able to be accepting of his beliefs, then don't marry him.
Just remember that acceptance does not have to mean agreeing. Most couples will find that they have differences that they will need to accept... or just agree to disagree.
Don't even get into a serious relationship with him if you don't believe it will be what you are looking for.
tickle- not saying he is the end all be all so no need for insults.
Califdadof3- I've seen this article. Could be true but I just read his articles and he speaks the truth. He talks about a lot of topics.
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Originally Posted by ladylove25
You were the one quoting scripture to back your claims that the Catholic Church is evil.
Mark 7:6-13 (KJV)
6 He answered and said unto them , Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written , This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do . 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 10 For Moses said , Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 11 But ye say , If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered : and many such like things do ye.
Yet you prefer to ignore the truth when faced with it and follow someone who clearly can't follow your version of biblical teaching.
The man is a hypocrite and until / unless he is repentant then he has no business trying to teach right and wrong to others. His view is warped at best.
Califdadof3-maby he did repent I mean do you talk to him? And no I'm not ignoring anything since I read the article.
I haven't spoken to him and I see nothing to indicate his repent. Have you spoken to him as a follower for your religion of 1 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by ladylove25
alifdadof3-well no. I have read that article before a very long time ago. I don't know David J. Stewart personally. A cult is a religious group that doesn't line up with biblical truth, a group that will teach something that will cause a person to not get saved... such as saying "baptism is necessary for salvation" or that "jesus was not God in the flesh." I have read a great deal of his website and as far as basic bible truth goes he is exactly right about all of it. He teaches salvation is by grace through faith, that Jesus is the son of God(God in the flesh). He exalts Jesus Christ all over his website. He goes by what the bible says so his site isn't a cult. He also exposes tons and tons of bad music and other false doctrines. As far as what he is teaching, it is exactly right, other than a few minor things that I don't agree with. He really seems like he loves the Lord. I have no idea if that article is true or not. That could be someone trying to ruin his name. If it were true, that's between him and God. I know a preacher that was really right with God and preached the truth in all of his sermons, he slipped into sin and committed adultery... he got right with God and started preaching again. A lot of people said he shouldn't be a preacher anymore because of it. We all sin and slip up, I fail God everyday of my life. I'm so grateful Jesus shed his blood for me because I'm a dirty sinner and there is no way I could ever earn my salvation. Even saved people still have a sin nature, we still slip up and sin even though we are saved. The same people that said that preacher shouldn't preach anymore are sinners too and also fail God. I believe like this... if someone is living in sin... for example... having sex outside of marriage and continue to do so.. then they shouldn't be preaching, singing in the choir, or anything else until they get that sin out of their life and ask for forgiveness. But if someone committed a sin in the past and has asked forgiveness for it and is trying their best to live right then they should be able to preach, sing in the choir, etc. God called Noah a preacher of righteousness, Noah also failed God when he got drunk. Failure isn't final with the Father. ALL of our sins are covered by Jesus blood. I hope that article isn't true. I have no way of knowing. All I know for sure is that his website goes by what the bible says. Also when your on his website, don't take his word for it, look it up in your bible and see if what he is saying is true. :)
baptism is not necessary for salvation
Jesus was God in the flesh
salvation is by grace through faith
goes by what the Bible says
one cannot earn salvation
saved people still have a sin nature
ALL of our sins are covered by Jesus' blood
If one believes the above, then what?
Then that's all you really need to know
That's what Lutherans believe.
I love that last post by wondergirl at 8:09... lol.. And now I think I'll fuel the fire a bit... First understand that I am a believer and accept what the bible teaches... a while back you all were ralking about man made traditions and religion...
I hate to break the news to you, but the bible is man made too... I forget the year place and people, but a group of men decided what books would go into the bible and which wouldn't... they also decided in what light to show jesus... as in, they decided to make sure people believe that he is the son of God and that he lived essentially a sin free life...
The bible as we know it is technically incomplete...
The king james bible is simply a translation that james liked the best when he was growing up... That is, an interpretation of the hebrew and other languages into english...
If I recall correctly, jesus asked peter to carry on with jesus' church... what church might that be??
Like I said, I know I'm just tossing gas onto the fire here, but seriously... does your friend believe that jesus is the son of God? Has he accepted him into his life?
As to your want of only getting into a serious relatonship... how can you possibly expect a guy to say that he will be with you forever and ever if he hasn' t had the chance to date you and get to know you on a deeper level? The way things usually happen is; dating, living together, marrying each other, finish the story with a couple different ways... Though, studies have shown that people who live together before marriage tend to not stay married than those who get married when living in separate houses...
Have fun screaming at me now... ;) And please, correct me if I'm wrong in places...
Oh, just as a reference, I read from a "new king james version" bible... :)
Wondergirl-they still follow traditions which are unblibical.
solidzane-the words in the bible is gods inspired word. How is that man made? About my friend he says he believes in god but he never told me he was a born again. Also he says gods name in vain a lot and I barely see his interest in living a christian life. But its his choice I'm not going to stop being his friend cause of that. And I know him at some deep level just not that relationship deep level. His religion is not the only thing that's a problem just a big portion of it. But its true people who live together before marriage tend to not stay married then those who living in separate houses :)also be careful about the type of bible you read.
http://www.chick.com/ask/articles/nkjv.asp?FROM=biblecenter
Such as?Quote:
Originally Posted by ladylove25
For those who care, it was the Catholic Church that meet and decided what books are in the bible and which books was not.
It was the Catholic Church that actually protected the bible and keep it and copies it during the years when many tried to destroy it.
But heck what is a little facts when one wants to hate a denomination.
Oh my gosh... the only big difference between kjv and nkjv is some wording... as in nkjv uses some more modern language than kjv... just a random example might be saying "you" instead of "thou" or something like that... that's really the main difference in most versions of the bible... interpretation of the old texts... that's why most of the writing reads the same, but some verses are slightly different...
As to the man made comment... it is people who wrote every book in the bible... moses did so based directly at the word of God, but what about the rest? Now, I know this won't make you happy, but there is a reason they call parts of the bible "stories"... They are stories about the lives of people, written by people, for people... Man Made...
As I said though. I still believe... kind of like danny gokeys song titled "i still believe"... look it up, it's a good song...
Wondergirl-such as false doctrines. Lutheran sacraments- "which teaches that God earnestly offers to all who receive the sacrament forgiveness of sins and eternal salvation. most of those churches still practice the "seven sacraments" of the Catholic, Anglican, and Orthodox Church".
I so wonder where you are getting your incorrect information. And no, "most of them" i.e. Lutherans don't have seven sacraments.Quote:
Originally Posted by ladylove25
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Originally Posted by solidzane
You can go here to look up many different versions of the bible if you want to compare words.
BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 100 versions and 50 languages.
Wow I completely disagreed with everything you said haha. The NKJV and every version besides the KJV is incorrect and changes major parts. I completely disagree with the part where you said "the bible is man made." That is so not true. The whole bible is the words of God. I also believe everything in the bible happened. I have heard people say that Jonah and the whale wasn't an actual story that happened but it did. Luterans believe baptism saves you. They also believe you are suppose to confess your sins to a pastor/priest when the bible plainly says only to confess your sins to Jesus because Jesus is the only mediator between God and men.
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" —1st Timothy 2:5
The new versions of the bible... the NKJV, the niv, etc... change James 5:16 to say that we are suppose to confess our sins and trespasses to each other... which is wrong. We only confess our sins to Jesus. One of the many reasons the new versions are so wrong. The lutheran church is definitely a cult. Because it goes against fundamental bible teachings. They believe in works for salvation. Any religious group that changes the plan of salvation is a cult. I'm not one of those people that are against other denominations for no reason, I'm against a lot of them because they preach unbiblical things.
That is totally not true. I have been a Lutheran since before I was born. Your source of information is incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by ladylove25
Can someone just close this thread as the original question has been given several suggestions, most of which the asker has compltely disregarded... this thread has turned into a religious debate that is not showing our best sides...
There is no reason to continue debating since the asker is so set in her beliefs that she leaves no room for other possibilities...
As a final response to the asker from me. The king james version of the bible is only as correct as the translations from the original languages. If you really want to read the bible the way it was written and meant to be read, I suggest you learn hebrew and greek and any other languages originally used.
As I said before, the kjv is the one of several translations that king james of england liked the most and he declared it to be the "authorized" version. Simply because he lliked the translation into english. You are welcome to your beliefs, but please don't tell us that we are wrong just because we don't hold all the same beliefs as you do. Good luck in life.
And we don't have the original books that eventually became the Bible.
I asked this two days ago, solid, but it was ignored, I ask that again too as I believe the same way you do,but I saw it coming before you did. OP is going around in circles, she loves the attention and has an audience which she probably never has anywhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by solidzane
Wondergirl is probably nashing her teeth as well read as she is, at some of OP's off the wall responses
OK GUYS LETS CLOSE THIS BEFORE IT GOES ANY FURTHER, CURLYBEN WHERE ARE YOU
I could really care less as I was just showing you why I disagreed. :) attention? Hahaha why would I want attention here? At this point you solidzane are just making up reasons as to why I am debating in "circles". Regardless you believe in what you want to believe in I am not anyone to tell you otherwise. If you think I am arguing in circles then why keep answering? All I was doing was showing my side of the argument. I am in no way angry or seeking attention that's just silly.anyways I still love you guys as god loves us all. By the way I never said you were wrong but disagreed in the things you said. Same goes for everyone. Good luck in your life and thanks for advice :)
I saw all this coming, see my posts way back on page 2. :-)
I was going to close it, but was told to let it go on for a while. Closing this now. Thank you all for your input!
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