Ask Me Help Desk - I've had enough of this May 2011 world is ending theory...

Comment on Synnen's post

I really don't get the "thrust" of your post/question. All you're expressing is doubt and outrage (I guess).
So you doubt it, and you're outraged. So..

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Originally Posted by Synnen

REALLY?? I don't even BELIEVE in Satan--how could he be the ruler of my church--especially since there IS no head of my church?

And when were those seals broken? What are your SPECIFIC signs that you're using here? I don't remember the sun becoming as sackcloth and the moon as blood, and there have been any NUMBER of great earthquakes---which one are you counting? And frankly, the first 4 seals could have been ANY time in the last 2000 years, because there has NEVER been a time with no war, no hunger, and no death.

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LOl-you know, they were broken in that movie with Demi Moore in it. It actually came out in 1988-The Seventh Sign.
The Seventh Sign

I want your "PROOF" that those seals have been broken, I guess.

Please tell me how you KNOW they were all broken, and why 1988 is the year you chose for Satan to be installed in churches.

If you can't even defend your beliefs with the facts as you know them, of COURSE people are going to doubt.

I want you to give me the instances that involve the breaking of the seals, and what EXACTLY those signs were.

Comment on Depressed in MO's post

I guess, if by some remote chance I'm still here on May 22, 2011 and nothing has happened... I'll be eating a lot of crow on this site. But not before then.

Comment on Synnen's post

Y'know... what you personally want interests me not in the slightest. All the info is available on the internet free. All you have to do is apply yourself.

So... you're willing to come here, spout your theory, and then not back it up with your own words on the beliefs?

Sorry--I can't take you seriously if you can't support your own religious theories.

Comment on Synnen's post

Don't take me seriously. See if I care.

Comment on Wondergirl's post

Truth does not require consensus. It stands by itself.

Comment on southamerica's post

I recommend the booklet "The End of The Church Age and After" by Harold Camping. It has all the details anyone could possibly want.

HSB, please type your replies in the Answer box below the post you are responding to. The Comment box is only for short comments that are not able to be quoted (or edited).

"I guess, if by some remote chance I'm still here on May 22, 2011 and nothing has happened...I'll be eating a lot of crow on this site. But not before then."

Didn't meant any disrespect; I just felt disrespected by your reply-which was uncalled for.

Well, if it makes you happy, I will be taking off work that day, keeping my kids home from school and praying to God that he will forgive us all for our sins and that he takes me and my family together...

But my point is, the fact that you are telling everyone that you don't care about what they think goes to show that you shouldn't have ever said anything at all to ever begin with. If you don't care, why share any of this with anyone at all? You've got me scared to death, hope you're happy-that's the only thing that makes sense now as to why you've shared all this and didn't even care in the first place.

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I recommend the booklet "The End of The Church Age and After" by Harold Camping. It has all the details anyone could possibly want.

Of course, Camping has already proven himself to be a false prophet by making an earlier prediction that didn't happen, and according to "the words of Jesus" in the Torah he should have been stoned to death when his prediction didn't come true. But, true to form, HSB has declined to respond to this matter multiple times. By their fruits you shall know them...

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Originally Posted by Depressed in MO

You've got me scared to death, hope you're happy-that's the only thing that makes sense now as to why you've shared all this and didn't even care in the first place.

If you know it's pure hokum, there's no reason to be scared. The Lord is on your side, what can this kind of man-made nonsense do to you? Greater is he that is in you than he that is in the screwball date-setters. Stand on that and don't be scared.

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But my point is, the fact that you are telling everyone that you don't care about what they think goes to show that you shouldn't have ever said anything at all to ever begin with. If you don't care, why share any of this with anyone at all? You've got me scared to death, hope you're happy-that's the only thing that makes sense now as to why you've shared all this and didn't even care in the first place.

Depressed,
What you need to do is to apply some of that incisive logic of yours to the Bible. You might be surprised what you find.

Comment on dwashbur's post

Total nonsense. The truth is not comforting at all. What's the point of defending an issue that's already been decided upon ? Would you really listen to facts ? I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by dwashbur

If you know it's pure hokum, there's no reason to be scared. The Lord is on your side, what can this kind of man-made nonsense do to you? Greater is he that is in you than he that is in the screwball date-setters. Stand on that and don't be scared.

You are right, I guess I'm just a what-if kind of person. The facts that are surrounding this thesis make me believe that God would not end the world in that form.

However, I don't put anything behind me that it could actually happen. My purpose to begin with was trying to understand it, but at this point, I don't even know what my bi*ch is anymore...

You all are exactly right, I need not to be scared as the world could end at any given moment. I guess just hearing about it is frightening to me because I'd rather not be counting down my days and hours to my last breath based on some man's theory- and be focusing more on important things that I know are REAL in my life.

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

Depressed,
What you need to do is to apply some of that incisive logic of yours to the Bible. You might be surprised what you find.

OH. MY. GOOSE.

The most HILARIOUS thing about that is that you don't even see the irony. I notice you didn't even BOTHER to comment on the parts of the Bible that no one uses anymore--like incest being okay and stoning divorced people to death if they ever have sex again.

If the Bible is valid, then it's valid in ALL of its pieces.

PS---how do you know that YOU are one of the 144,000?

Here come the reddies but... I've noticed that those that subscribe to the end of times in the very near future are often those whose current lives on this earth aren't very fulfilling and they would rather be taken away that continue on here. Just an observation and opinion.

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Originally Posted by Synnen

OH. MY. GOOSE.

The most HILARIOUS thing about that is that you don't even see the irony. I notice you didn't even BOTHER to comment on the parts of the Bible that no one uses anymore--like incest being okay and stoning divorced people to death if they ever have sex again.

If the Bible is valid, then it's valid in ALL of its pieces.

PS---how do you know that YOU are one of the 144,000?

He didn't comment on most things. Maybe he should apply some of his incisive logic into our questions...

I'm not going to lie, I have never read the bible from beginning to end... just pieces from here to there...
144,000 people? How many people are in this world? Scary.
Maybe I shouldn't read the bible.

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If the Bible is valid, then it's valid in ALL of its pieces.

I'll tell you what's really hilarious is that you make up your own rules on how to interpret the Bible. The Bible explicitly has verses that tell us exactly how to interpret it. It acts as its own interpreter and as its own dictionary... if you pay attention to its rules.

But of course you, and a lot of other people, are smarter than God.

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"Total nonsense. The truth is not comforting at all. What's the point of defending an issue that's already been decided upon ? Would you really listen to facts ? I don't think so. "

I don't think it's about listening to the facts as much as it is about getting the facts, and the fact that you can't or won't provide any makes no one believe you. But then again, as you previously stated, you don't care...

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

I'll tell you what's really hilarious is that you make up your own rules on how to interpret the Bible. The Bible explicitly has verses that tell us exactly how to interpret it. It acts as its own interpreter and as its own dictionary.....if you pay attention to its rules.

But of course you, and a lot of other people, are smarter than God.

Well, you certainly have inserted yourself as an authority in biblical interpretation, so please enlighten me...

How has Synnen misinterpreted the bible? About adultery, incest, et al? How should those verses be interpreted? Where are we told to interpret them.

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Originally Posted by Depressed in MO

He didn't comment on most things. Maybe he should apply some of his incisive logic into our questions...

I'm not gonna lie, I have never read the bible from beginning to end...just pieces from here to there...
144,000 people? how many people are in this world? Scary.
maybe I shouldn't read the bible.

A couple of times, Revelation mentions 144,000 Jews. We know the whole thing is symbolic because the lists of the tribes of Israel include at least one tribe that never existed, but the literalists conveniently overlook that fact. The number basically means nothing to the rest of us, so you can safely ignore it in this context.

Comment on Depressed in MO's post

The facts are available in much greater detail than I'm able to give. If you don't get them for yourself, don't blame me for that. Go to the Family Stations, Inc. website. And there are other websites with excellent source materials.

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Originally Posted by dwashbur

A couple of times, Revelation mentions 144,000 Jews. We know the whole thing is symbolic because the lists of the tribes of Israel include at least one tribe that never existed, but the literalists conveniently overlook that fact. The number basically means nothing to the rest of us, so you can safely ignore it in this context.

Oh I figured as much. Like I said, I'm no where near as knowledeable as most of you are about the bible, which could be one of the main reasons this whole thing is of concern to me. The last time I had bible study was a week ago. Prior to that, about 20 years ago as a young child...

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

I'll tell you what's really hilarious is that you make up your own rules on how to interpret the Bible.

Yeah, he reads it and looks at what it says. How silly is that??

Hey Depressed, for what it's worth, 5/21 is a Saturday-so you won't have to keep your kids from school. And the 22nd is the day of rest :)

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Originally Posted by Depressed in MO

Oh I figured as much. Like I said, I'm no where near as knowledeable as most of you are about the bible, which could be one of the main reasons this whole thing is of concern to me. The last time I had bible study was a week ago. Prior to that, about 20 years ago as a young child...

No sweat. Nobody is born knowing this stuff. We all start in the same place. The biggest difference between you and us is, we've been at this longer than you have. That's about it.

But there's a big similarity, too: you and we have more sense than to listen to nonsensical date-setting gibberish...

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Originally Posted by southamerica

Hey Depressed, for what it's worth, 5/21 is a Saturday-so you won't have to keep your kids from school. And the 22nd is the day of rest :)

See I'm so worked up I don't even know what I'm saying anymore! :rolleyes:

Comment on southamerica's post

Your caustic manner assures me that your request for enlightenment is utterly sincere. Obviously you take me for a fool. How can a fool teach you anything at all ? You're already much wiser than I am.

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

I'll tell you what's really hilarious is that you make up your own rules on how to interpret the Bible. The Bible explicitly has verses that tell us exactly how to interpret it. It acts as its own interpreter and as its own dictionary.....if you pay attention to its rules.

But of course you, and a lot of other people, are smarter than God.

And you do NOT make up your own rules on how to interpret the Bible? Why are YOUR rules more valid than MY rules?

It does NOT act as its own interpreter and dictionary, or there would not be religious schisms and there would not be constant bickering about what this or that verse means. If it was OBVIOUS what the Bible was saying, we'd ALL AGREE on what the Bible was saying.

But you, and a lot of other people, think you know EXACTLY what God is saying, so you think you're better than the people who use logic and questioning to arrive at their beliefs.

BY HBS:
"The facts are available in much greater detail than I'm able to give. If you don't get them for yourself, don't blame me for that. Go to the Family Stations, Inc. website. And there are other websites with excellent source materials"

Most or all of us have done that. The thing is, it's interesting to have you here, so as we are inquiring as to what it is/was personally to have made you become a believer and what you base your facts on because of that-you are declining any further action or detail.

I am not ASKING you to give me websites.

I am ASKING you to tell us what you believe and why it is that you, personally, believe it.

How hard is that to answer?

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Your caustic manner assures me that your request for enlightenment is utterly sincere. Obviously you take me for a fool. How can a fool teach you anything at all ? You're already much wiser than I am.

No, HSB, I am asking you a sincere question. You seem extremely certain that you know how to interpret the bible, and what the bible is saying, and I truly want an answer.

You say that the whole bible is to be taken seriously. And you say that the verses Synnen references are merely her interpretation.

I have heard of the verses to which Synnen refers, and I have only ever heard them brushed off as "old testament". SO, you are a believer of the whole bible, and Synnen has brought forth statements to the bible, and you have said they are misinterpreted and the bible tells us how to interpret them.

I would like to know, then, how the bible tells us to interpret them, and how they are to be interpreted. I eagerly await your response.

More about this supposed prophet: Harold Camping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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How has Synnen misinterpreted the bible? About adultery, incest, et al? How should those verses be interpreted? Where are we told to interpret them.

In case you don't remember the original question is about May 21, 2011. Not about sexuality or sexual sins. I'm not going to be drawn into a discussion about that subject on this thread.

I merely used his comment as a seg-way to show that the Bible gives us specific rules that should be used to interpret all parts of the Bible. The process is quite involved and it's not easy at all. It requires much time and prayer to get the truth.

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

seg-way

Segway = a two-wheeled conveyance
segue = a transition

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Originally Posted by HeadStrongBoy

In case you don't remember the original question is about May 21, 2011. Not about sexuality or sexual sins. I'm not going to be drawn into a discussion about that subject on this thread.

I merely used his comment as a seg-way to show that the Bible gives us specific rules that should be used to interpret all parts of the Bible. The process is quite involved and it's not easy at all. It requires much time and prayer to get the truth.

That's true, I guess we should make sure the OP is okay with you answering these questions.

Depressed, would you be okay if we asked HSB this question?

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Comment on Wondergirl's post

Thanks for that clarification. I already knew that. But I dummed it down in case other readers didn't.