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Yeah, it's good to really know what you're talking about... Aren't freakin' and fricken' just variations of the F word?
Those breaking-wind machines are so freakin' funny, well, I must think so 'cause I own 3. In fact we were wetting our pants joking around with them when my Aunt said that it was offensive to her. Hey, we put them away till she left! She came by unnanounced while we were laughing, her bad.
LOL I always hated the farting joking so I started telling my son and my boyfriend that they are the farts.Quote:
Originally Posted by simoneaugie
I have heard ONE good fart joke in my life that didn't irritate me :p
But my kids and boyfriend think it is a really stupid joke.
Why are certain sounds so funny to some? Why are certain words or sounds so offensive? My MIL thinks the movie Wayne's World is stupid. I crack up every time I see it. Learning to accept that we are all different, and that's okay, that's the trick.
Yeah it is weird there are a lot of common words that irritate my ears and other words that I kind of like.
Like I don't like 'rally around' for some reason.
I don't find the f word offensive in any way, it's just that I find the over use of it to be vulgar and unimaginative. It's really just used as an exclamation after all. What's the difference between an "idiot" and a "f-ing idiot"? It would seem that one is more of an idiot than the other. Even using the "censored" f-ing, instead of just typing the word itself seems quite absurd. It spells the same thing after all. The only reason I don't is that I realise that some people may take offence to it.
Yeah exclamation usage is more tolerable than listening to the obnoxious over use of words. But it isn't that I get offended but more like I feel like
WHY dion't they JUST shut UP!
From someone who never swear and I do mean never use any of the cussing words (except maybe "damn" or "darn" ), I find that when someone uses the F word in my presence, it sort of degrades them in my view.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I sort of lose respect for them because they seem to be crass enough to swear while talking to me.
Ok I can tolerate people when they swear but would prefer if they refrained while talking to me.
I am not sure if it is the word itself that offends, and more than that when people use the word damn or sh!t it seems less offensive.
Also possibly the F word seems to degrade an act of love that should not be termed as such.
I also find that when people use certain swear words in our native language it seems more offensive.I guess it seems more personal.
About the written word, most of the time the word does not seem offensive when I read than having a person say it to my face, again the feeling of it being more personal.
Why Christians? "You guys"?Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Do you really need to have vulgarity explained to you? When Jews get married in front of family and Rabbi, do they say, "Do you take this f***** woman to be your wife"? - or whatever the Jewish ceremony is. I doubt it.
Do you have no sense of place? Even the worst low-lifes know when not to use bad language.
Shape up, excon.
Hello A:Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
You're a f**king idiot!
excon
Hello again:
Now, do you see what I mean? The superlative I used above communicates SOOOOO perfectly the tone I wanted to deliver. There ain't no other word that does that.
excon
There are plenty of other words that do that. You're just not literate enough to know them.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
I think it can depend on who you are with when using such "colourful" expressions. If you are with your friends and they all pepper their speech for emphasis, that can be one thing and many would not find offense in such a situation.
It is when someone has no regard for who they are speaking to, or in the presence of, and seemingly every other word could be challenged as being inappropriate, that it might be seen by some as either an appalling lack of language or social skills, or simply a lack of common courtesy.
Words can impact individuals greatly, whether you are the one speaking them or hearing them. I think the key is to just be mindful of where you are and who you are with so that you don't inadvertently offend or cause someone to think less of you that you might not want to leave with that impression.
I agree.
I forget who made ain't popular in I think a song. Back in the 60's or before (I think a Louie Armstrong song). I sure couldn't get away with ain't without hearing about it.
Ain't that a shame
Ain't nothing like the real thing
Obviously. But excon seems to be incapable of understanding this.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoulaLC
What does literacy have to do with it?
The main reason why people don't use such language is because they don't want other to look down on them... or think poorly of them.
A life spent in constant search for admiration is a life wasted. Doesn't take an educated man to figure as much.
I think that excon is capable of understanding most everything that comes across his monitor. Don't make the mistake of under estimating him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
I'm more likely to think you're an idiot if you use the wrong homonym (accept/except; your/you're; it's/its; etc.) than if they use swear words.
Idiocy is in HOW you use words--not which words you use.
I have absolutely NO problem with kids swearing in English papers if it makes them write in complete sentences: using the correct words, with the correct spelling and punctuation.
Its when dey can't keep from typing lyk idjits who's computers can't except the spellchecker because its 2 complakated and before you no it u'v got a 1337 grupe qwik typers who r 2 dum 2 axually no what the h3ll their talking about.
I haven't. My estimation is based on what he has written in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmjoseph
Hello again, Athos:Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
I suppose that you're not going to stop till I respond... Okee doakee.
Here I was having a nice discussion with my friends when you came along and insulted me. I took exception to it. Ain't nothing more difficult than that.
Now go climb back under your rock!
excon
I found the point of this thread to be the irony of society's outlook on what is acceptable here. As it has been said, it shouldn't be about the words that are used but the way in which you use them.
Ignorance can be just as easily displayed without the use of cuss words as it can with it.
And for the people who take offense to such words, why wouldn't replacement words offend just the same?
Why is "you're a frigging idiot" okay when "you're a f***ing idiot" is not? You are essentially saying the same thing. Sure the latter of the two packs a little more punch but it is only because of it's shock factor... which is only shocking because of this ingrained idea that such words are taboo.
Just another example of accepting "beliefs" that were passed down from other generations without ever stopping to ask why.
These are public pages open to all members, not for the private use of you and your friends. Note that I "came along" to disagree with your position in your original post. If you felt insulted, my apology.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
On thls we agree! Surprise, surprise!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Personally...
I know a lot of people that swear. I mean curse.
It all depends on the context. Honestly for me, when people say The Lord's name in vain. It does bother me to the core. That is just me personally.
Everything else does not really bother me.
Okay. As a Christian, I do not use those words and when they start coming in on the TV I either mute it or change channels. I am offended by it.
One lesson to be learned from all this is; don't lose a war.
Does that sound strange?
Several of our choice vulgarisms come from old Anglo Saxon language (or so I'm told). When they lost their country and society, even their language became profanity.
You can say lemaird, dung, or excrement in polite society, but tha Anglo Saxon term for the same substance is profanity. Same for some other words.
I had heard that, at some point in time, they used to ship manure/fertilizer by boat across seas. And that they used to store it down under the hull.. maybe to lock in the smell? Then someone noticed that a lot of ships kept exploding and they didn't know why. They finally figured out that it was because the methane gas that built up from storing the manure they way they were and something would spark or someone would like a cigar or whatever and ka-boom.
So they eventually had to mark the boats so the loaders would know to Ship High In Transit... which was abbreviated on the side of the boat launching the word into our language from then on...
No idea if that is true or not though...
Snopes says that is an urban legend.
I can't post the link here (doesn't work), so Google "snopes ship high in transit" to find it.
Mmm I haven't read all the posts.
But I'm a christian. But I also grew up in a sailors home. Lol. And as a teen I spent most of my time in the navy barracks and hangers hanging out with the guys (I was into older guys as a teen)
So yeah, words don't bother me. But I do get offended about people cussing around my daughter.
And I also agree its all in the infliction. If your saying 'ow I stubbed my F-ing toe" I don't care.
If your saying 'OMG your such a f-ing b---h' then, that's going to bother me, no matter who your saying it to, be it me, my friend, my duaghter, or even a complete stranger.
I actually find it more insulting to watch a person behave like this toward another person, than have a person like excon ask a debatable question. Talk about a person more than happy to stir the pot and be insulting. I have no respect for this. Or more simply put, boo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Athos
Syn, I like your answer the very bestest of them all. (chuckle) It annoys me and yet I don't bother with things like "its" sometimes when I am typing quickly. That line of thought bears more consideration. I dig it.
Like you ex I'm not bothered what people say, except for 1 word being the C word,that makes me cringe.
Unfortunately in today's culture all swear words seem to be matter of coarse,right down to small kids.
Where I work you'll hear Mums shout at their kids "f...... come here" when the child says "F... off they get a slap in the face from the Mum, the child will stand there thinking what have I done.
I have to say I can let rip like most people I know, especially in the area where I work which is mainly drug takers and alike, if I stood there being all posh I wouldn't gain their trust and they wouldn't hear a word I said, to get through to these people you have to adopt their way no matter how degrading it may seem,it's the only way you'll fit in and be accepted, underneath all the obscenities they are really lovely people and would protect me should there be a problem and I've had a few.
At the end of the day it's just words.
I think you have to adjust to the company your in, it's just the way it is now.
Matt 5:14-16
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
(KJV)
Can you truthfully say that your light is shining if you go with the crowd?
Orphan, that was nicely said. No, some people do not pick up on minimal social cues. The lack of credit and acceptance given to someone raised not being exposed to proper English is appalling to me. Those who do know how to use language have the responsibliity to teach it through example.
Having said that... I love the C word. Granted, there have only been three women I have encountered that I could apply it to. And it probably shouldn't ever be used in polite company. When someone surpasses being a B**** by a mile, and you just want to knock them through a wall. That's a c***.
excon - what's up, man. Ok, so I got to just be upfront about one thing. Why do you have an axe to grind with Christians? Maybe you don't. But it does seem like you have some issue with Christians. Shxx, I have issues with Christians and I am one. But you know what, people are people. Jews hate how they are persecuted, I hate it when Jews come after Christians, and I hate it when Muslims fly planes into buildings to kill Jews, Christians, Atheists, and every other persuasion of people out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
There are Orthodox Jews out there who would be upset if you said "fuxx." There are Christians out there and Muslims out there, and maybe even members of your own family who if they heard you throw the f-bomb would look at you funny. But it is a word that conjures up meaning to the person who hears it. Some people bristle at it because psychologically they have built up an immunity to it. I personally think that sometimes it just flows out of us when we are angry. Sometimes people pretend they would never say it but in their heart they do. I don't know what to make of it all but sometimes human beings say things to express the raw emotion they feel at times and we just can't help it.
Do you have kids? I bet if you do that you sometimes shield their little ears from your mouth. Why do you do that? It is because you are afraid of them doing the same? Or is it because you know that children do not have a mature context for language?
Don't take offense to what I'm saying here because I do not mean any of what I am saying to be offensive to you or to anyone else. But I have to call a spade a spade and you need someone to call your bluff. :)
Thanks, man.
The F word and others don't bother me a bit but I don't like the word hate or Nig--r or C--t(female anatomy)
I don't like when a young guy refers to his woman as his Bitc-!
That's about all I don't like ,the rest can be very useful for expression,if not overdone of course :)
I do have a problem with trendy expressions that are overdone and trite.
Like ,lets think outside the box.
Pushing the envelope(thankfully that one is dying off)
That call me thing with the hand gesture (gag)
That's how I do(really now)
And many many more.Not enough people have a genuine thought in their head.
What if my answer was no... but the crowd was actually the one which chooses to give the power to the words themselves, rather than their meaning?Quote:
Originally Posted by galveston
Whereas the other side of society, the sometimes deemed "less educated", might leave the power with the associated meaning and allow the words themselves to be used naturally in every day conversation.
It's kind of like the old cowboy that, after given what would have been a few months pay for randomly helping a damsel in distress (who happened to be the daughter of a wealthy socialite), turns to the lady and says, "Well thank you, ma'am! I'll be... I'm happier than a puppy with two peckers!"
To many, that saying would be appalling. But to that cowboy, it was a totally innocent way for him to genuinely express how thankful he was. Seems much more genuine that a "thank you, ma'am. Much obliged," at least.
Galveston, I appreciate what your saying and totally understand, however some of these young people have come to me for help, I thank the good guy upstairs for that, and yes I was able to help them.Quote:
Originally Posted by galveston
The point that I was trying to make was that they felt they could approach me, they new I would understand where they were coming from, had I been un-approachable there would have been some very nasty situations, where the out come would have meant someone being hurt, disappearing and involving the law, which in this area you don't do,unless absolutely you've no where else to go.
Sometime it's better to deal with things within the community, they have their own ways.
I don't have to show others what I do, the fact that people come to me for help, tells me all I need to know.
Street cred' is very important in their community, I'd rather be their friend than have them as my enemy.
As I said it's only words, you have to look beyond.
Hello jakester:Quote:
Originally Posted by jakester
Bluff called...
I think you confuse disagreeing with Christian views, with disprespecting Christian people. These are my friends. We've discussed stuff like this before, even LOUDER than this. I'm not afraid to ask them questions - even weird stuff, like about swearing. I'm not afraid to disagree with them either. But, disagreement is NOT disrespect.
You can't find a post of mine where I've put people or their religion down.
excon
I have to agree with that and even when you disagree you have a very light hearted and civil approach.I think you are a bit amused by it all and I suspect that you are a bit of a prankster as well.Quote:
You can't find a post of mine where I've put people or their religion down.
Ok, maybe I am confusing the two. And you know what, I'm actually cool with people disagreeing with Christian views. I am certainly not opposed to it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Here's where my beef is, though. Even you, excon, have some sensibilities that can be offended. You didn't answer any of the other things I mentioned, though. Do you have children? If so, do you refrain from indulging in profantity when they are present? Or do you have family members that are really young and when you are in their company do you launch f-bombs?
Thanks, man. I appreciate your comments and I look forward to your answer to my questions.
Hello again, j:
Glad you asked... My answer is probably going to reflect a similar sentiment to the one I expressed above.
Swearing to punctuate, to color, to intone depth, isn't offensive to me. When used properly, instead of to shock, some words just can't be replaced.
However, swearing AT somebody, is quite offensive. Calling people names is offensive. It puts them down. That's not the kind of swearing I do.
I'm respectful of people. My mother taught me well. I actually have manners and I know how to behave in polite society. No, I don't drop f-bombs or any other words indiscriminately.
In my own house with my family and friends, I'm myself. I don't pretend. I pass on my values to my children, too. They don't swear in polite company either.
excon
PS> (edited) Ok, I swore AT that guy Athos. What?? You want perfection?
Thank you for your honesty. I really, really respect that. Personally, I am not offended by profanity because I am who I am as well, and I do swear sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
In truth, the only point I was making was that it is not kosher to make fun of people who have sensibilities to refrain from doing certain things, like swearing. If a Christian, your mother, whoever, wants to teach his child that it is not appropriate to swear indiscriminately in front of others, is there really something wrong with that, excon? You teach your children that swearing is acceptable and some teach that swearing is unacceptable: bottom line is that each of us has to obey his conscience and follow it. What else can you do?
That's the point I was trying to make.
I like you, though, man. I think you are real.
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