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Originally Posted by N0help4u
Very well said NO.
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Originally Posted by N0help4u
Very well said NO.
No. It does not mean that.Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
As I stated :
... a claim is a claim is a claim is a claim is a claim ...
:rolleyes:
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Yeah so it is a claim. What's the point?
I never said it wasn't a claim.
What I don't understand is why people are posting so many topics on religion in the first place? I remember I had another account about a year ago and I've never seen many posts about it. But now it seems its all anyone has to say. Who cares if a person chooses not to have a religion? Honestly its like being homosexual, it doesn't affect anyone else. People with religions are the ones with guidelines stating how they should live their lives and treat other human beings. Atheist's don't have a belief, so how does that affect a Christian at all? It doesn't mean you can't keep your faith in God or Jesus and keep practicing your religion. You just make yourself look stupid when you stoop to such a level that you have to argue with a non-believer and convince them they are doing something wrong. Because they aren't doing anything wrong. It's a free country. I'll admit some Atheist's are rude and ignorant and are wrong to ridicule someone for having a religion because its not their life. But it seems there are an equal amount of Christians who do the same thing. They make blunt accusations about how an Atheist must live their life, and they are evil and depressed and hate themselves etc. How could you come to that conclusion about a person because they have no religion? I never thought a good Christian person could say such things about another. But obviously they can. And it makes me think, why would I want to belong to a religion where the people in it can't even follow their own rules? The rules contradict each other, and when they break one of their rules, they have others to compensate for the one they broke. Its just a chain where you get away with everything anyway. Its so much easier to just live life with an open mind and make mistakes without having to answer to anyone.
We are not the ones going to the atheist board claiming it affects us they are coming here making their claims and accusations
Once more in the hope this reaches your brain cells : THERE IS NO ATHEISM BOARD HERE OM AMHD (as far as I know)!!Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
Nobody goes here to an Atheism board, because there is no Atheism board!!
And even if there was, why would anyone have to go to any specific board? This is the only available discussion board open to all for "spiritual matters", regardless of personal or religious views !
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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I once suggested to a mod that there be a forum specifically geared towards secularism. Not surprisingly, he pshawed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Credendovidis
But in the mean time this situation p*sses off even more "christians" who seem to think that this discussion board is some second Christianity board. Actually I don't mind that there is no Atheism board. This discussion board provides more than enough ways to post my views...Quote:
Originally Posted by lobrobster
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[QUOTE=Credendovidis]
Once more in the hope this reaches your brain cells : THERE IS NO ATHEISM BOARD HERE OM AMHD (as far as I know)!!
Nobody goes here to an Atheism board, because there is no Atheism board!!
And even if there was, why would anyone have to go to any specific board? This is the only available discussion board open to all for "spiritual matters", regardless of personal or religious views !
Did I say it HAS to be AMHD?? I am talking ANY atheist board on the whole entire Worldwide web!!!DAH!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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So you what you really meant to say was that you suggested non-Christians just to get lost to another board ? Is that it?Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
That is even worse than I already thought...
:D :D :D :D :D :D
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NO where do you get that?
I was replying to whiterose #44 WHY this board is so popular basically
And somebody else further back but don't have the # for that.
So your !!!!DAH!!!!!!! in your #49 post "... Did I say it HAS to be AMHD???? I am talking ANY atheist board on the whole entire Worldwide web!!!DAH!!!!!!!!" refers now suddenly to #44??Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
But I do not see any!! DAH!! There...
Careful Nohelp4u : once you start lying it becomes more and more difficult to get out of it again...
You really like to be shown a fraud, isn't it? From Ask Me to WeTellYou to Answerway, and now also on AMHD...
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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I didn't realize you would not realize that I was replying to the others and that you would take it as meaning AMHD AGAIM when I said that so
I did not see a need to say dah until you repeated that there is no atheist board on AMHD again.
SO you can keep misconstruing what people say is a lie if you want because that is your perception so whatever.
That is a clear anf deliberate lie!! I repeat my previous post to you to prove that !Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
So your !!!!DAH!!!!!!! in your #49 post "... Did I say it HAS to be AMHD???? I am talking ANY atheist board on the whole entire Worldwide web!!!DAH!!!!!!!!" refers now suddenly to #44??Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
But I do not see any !!!DAH!!!!!!!! there ....
Careful Nohelp4u : once you start lying it becomes more and more difficult to get out of it again...
You really like to be shown a fraud, isn't it? From Ask Me to WeTellYou to Answerway, and now also on AMHD...
Nohelp4u : this is the second lie I proved you to have posted here... with the third lie the cock will crow for you : another lost soul...
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ASSUME what you wish. SO WHAT, I did not FEEL like saying DAH in the one giving you the benefit of the doubt and figuring that you would THEN follow my explanation
BUT YOU DIDN'T AND you persisted SO THEN I said DAH in the other one
INTERPRET it any way you wish!
NO fraud about it on my part how you lose things in translation.
DAH!
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Originally Posted by lobrobster
Lol you are right, I suppose what I should have said was if was garanoteed to have a short time left to live.
There goes cred. He is in such denial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Credendovidis
You really struggle with reality don't you.. lol
Cred, FYI this is a RELIGIOUS FORUM. ;)
Lol Apparently this proves my point. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hi everyone,
I was reading through some of the responses from you all (atheists) and the general consensus I'm get from you as to why you frequent religious forums despite the fact that you claim to be non-religious goes as follows. I am going to list each one and give a solution to each.
-Some of you said you are bitter ex Christians (or ex religious folk) who hold a grudge and resentment against Christianity.
Solution: Get over it:- Harassing Christians by trying to convince them to stop believing is not going to change anything... trust me.
-Some of you said it's because there is no atheist forum on the site.
Solution: Move to a new forum:- You can all discuss your atheistic beliefs on the "other discussions" section of the site, that way you are not butting heads with "religious folk" who want be left in peace.
-Some of you said it was your "retirement Job" and you claimed to be doing some service to America because Christians have manipulated American politics.
Solution: Stop wasting your time:- By harassing Christians on religious forums you are not doing any service to society. Believe me... I think I speak for most Christians here when I say, what is said to me on this site goes in one ear and out the other ear metaphorically. So you are not changing any mind sets here.. trust me. What you are doing is wasting your time.
-Some of you said it is a form of passing time because of boredom, so you attempt to entertain yourself by harassing Christians about what they believe.
Solution: Get a life: - There are many ways to entertain one self that are less counter-productive. Here are a few suggestions- find a sport you enjoy, rent movies, watch educational programs, spend quality time with family, make new friends, join a library and read books.. the list goes on. These are suggestions of better ways to spend your free time than arguing over the existence of something you see on the same level as unicorns.
Some of you said you are here to remind us that "these are our BELIEFS".
Solution: DUH: - we don't need you to state the obvious over and over. Again this boils down to getting a life and finding better ways to spend and enjoy life.
Yes! DUH.. this is religious forums so of course people are talking about Beliefs... They just keep stating the obvious :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
Sass your box is FULL
****I can't send you a PM asking you to make room in your PM:eek:
Respectfully? LMAO, thanks for the chuckle.Quote:
Credendovidis]All I see are (some) Secular Humanists respectfully pointing out that theists only "BELIEVE" what they claim to be "true".
Communication is a two way street.Quote:
And consider this also : isn't that precisely the idea of this board ? COMMUNICATION?
How are your shoes fitting?Quote:
You may not share that... May be it is the mirror effect, because some theists here are extremely arrogant, angry, intolerant, bigoted, and hypocrite ! And if the shoe fits...
The pot calling the kettle black.Quote:
Perhaps to show that there are still ways to behave as a sane person, even if you believe in Christianity? The average Christian is as good a person as anyone else. But some creationists do not shy away from lying, cheating, sidestepping, twisting words, being hypocrite, etc... I'm sure you know one or more of these... Any mirrors around?
Wow, allot of liars on this board, or is it because you cannot dispute them that they are liars?Quote:
Funny : that was also my first impression of this post. When I read it again, I felt that pure frustration that seems to tear you apart, resulting in a bitter and often disrespectful liar and cheater, just because there are some people here who prefer to use their own brain in the process of thinking , unlike those who prefer to based their mental sanity on only a 2000 year old book full with subjective claims!
And what are you doing, what's your mission? You constantly post things that are geared to upset people who believe in God.Quote:
Well : actually he/she would be correct to tell you ! All your "christian" mission demands from you is to "spread the word". Not to force it upon others against their will ! And you do that all the time !
And there you go being respectful again. :)Quote:
Extremely poor grammar, but I see what you mean...
And again.:rolleyes:Quote:
I really wonder why you seem incapable of understanding that...
Don't you pay attention when this is explained to you several times each week ?
Of course I know what will happen when I post this, but, what the heck. ;)
This is all I have to say.
Good luck. :)
To answer the original question, Atheists come to the religion board because atheism is a RELIGION. It is just that most of them refuse to admit to that fact. Their constant pot shots at religion in general, and Christianity in particular is merely the effort of one religionist to prove their religion superior to the competition.
And the non-belief in astrology is just another pseudo science, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Galveston1
BravoQuote:
Choux> Christianity in America has become a political party engaged in such nasty organized behavior that has to be opposed openly and forcefully by decent Americans.
I fully agree on both points.Quote:
Capuchin> Personally - I'm interested in defending science and evidential inquiry when it is attacked, which often happens in these discussions - hence I keep an eye on it.
I'm also very interested in religion - it's a very intriguing human condition, don't you think? It's something that I don't understand and am eager to learn more about..
Allheart - you have consistently shown me that the loud obnoxious variety of those who scream they're Christian are not necessarily representative of believers in Jesus. You and your 'brand' of quiet faith I respect.
What a bigoted-sounding POV. I don't read attacks on atheists on the Islam board. And every Wiccan I've ever met has been quite tolerant of people's beliefs and non-belief. My only grudge against Christians are those that are trying to co-opt the politics and education in this country.Quote:
Fr_Chuck> Yes they do, but most are not really athiests they are hurt self absorbed people who have a grudge against religion and Christianity, you don't see the same people going to Islam board and attacking them, or going to the Wicca board and attacking their religion, So no they don't have a problem really against religion, they have specific hatred against Christians..
It is the antithesis of religion.Quote:
Galveston1>... atheism is a RELIGION
There may be one or two who fit your description, but many of the questions are directed at those who question religion. Most of the respondents do so with respect. If atheists or agnostics weren't expected to check in, to whom are the questions like that directed? Besides, there is no atheist board so choosing the antithesis is the closest we have.Quote:
SassyT> Why do so called "atheists" devote countless hours and energy to attempting to disprove and demean religion on "religious" forums? What is their motive behind vehemently deconstructing the Christian faith in particular and propagating their own lack of faith?
Could it be that they are doing the very thing they claim to hate in religious zealots by persuading others to their viewpoint? Also, why do many of them come across as arrogant and angry with the rest of us who don't share their views?
But I understand your confusion. You take every chance you get to denegrate science no matter where you find it. And you do so with an undeserved smirk and thinly veiled slurs. The "so-called" and the quotes on 'atheist' are an example. I suppose I should call you a supposed "Christian" (so much tolerance and love in your posts). I at least admit there are people who do believe (even if I think it irrational). Do you have such a lack of imagination that you can't conceive of someone who doesn't?
So since you've deluded yourself into thinking this country, founded on freedom of and freedom from religion is a Christian nation... Is that why atheists are so persecuted? How about all the bigotry against Wiccans?Quote:
SassyT>... wrong country if you have that much hatred for Christians.
Your post #58 proves my points.
It's simple, the Christians are attempting to convert/convince the Atheists and the Atheists are attempting to convert/convince the Christians and neither side is winning anyone over.
The mud-slinging comes from both camps. Solution, quit slinging it.
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/im...2005111534.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by simoneaugie
Lol this is the sort of irony I am talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by simoneaugie
Simoneaugie... don't get it twisted buddy, you athiests come on this RELIGIOUS forum volutarily. No one invited you... in fact we would rather you don't come here so that us religious people can converse about our beliefs in peace. You come here to promote your own beliefs and you are the ones who are coming here to convince and convert us to your athiestic beliefs. Frankly I couldn't care less whether you believe in God or not. I should, but unfortunately I don't, so don't flatter yourself by thinking I am on a quest to convert you.. lol
After all, we christians are not the ones who spend half our lives on Athiestic forum. I couldn't care less about atheism that's why I don't waste my time with it. But apparenty you have a vested interest in religion and you spend your free time trying to convince believers that they are wrong and your beliefs are right. Please :rolleyes:
You athiests on religious forums are just as good as those religious people who knock on people's doors trying to convert them. You are doing the same thing on this religious forum, harassing us with you beliefs.
Solution for you: Save it:- Don't waste your time trying to convert us Christians to your atheistic beliefs because I can assure you that your effort is futile. Move on.
I am starting to think that myself. Maybe my quest to find why athiests frequent religious forums lies in what you are saying Galveston.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galveston1
Atheism is a Religion... mmmm
That's it!
This isn't a religious forum. It's a place for religious discussion. That is for anyone to come and discuss religion. Stop clinging onto the belief that this is your forum and the atheists are invading.
No it is not that atheists are invading it is that it is a religion discussion place where religion should be freely discussed and the point is if an atheist can't handle religious discussion and even sometimes feel the need to attack people's religious beliefs and claim they have no beliefs why do they come here?
What do they hope to accomplish?
Atheism IS a religion and they are trying to spread the good news. What's wrong with that?
Cred0 has insisted for yrs that atheism is NOT a religion so you are agreeing with Sassy that it is and disagreeing with Cred0 that it is not a religion??
Well I didn't think it was but Sassy is always correct it appears. There is no god to worship, no sacred texts, no prayers, no congregation but it must be a religion because sassy says so - plus it allows us unfettered access to all religious forums without all the whining.
So basically we have Sassy 'whining' that it is a religion and we have Cred0 insisting that we HAVE to say ''I or we believe'' before every religious discussion belief we say and then the whole conversation gets lost to making belief vs fact the issue instead of replying to the question... no wonder I only reply to a small percentage of the stuff on the religious boards.
That's just those two. You can set them to "Ignore".
My ignore is the 'unsubscribe' button when I had enough.
Or take a break from the site.
Call it what you want but I am not here to split hairs with you. This is a religious discussion forum whether you like it or not. Athiests and who ever is welcome here but don't come here and mock people's beliefs and religions and expect me to keep quiet... hell no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Capuchin
The reason why I am saying Athiests are "invading" is because you so called athiests come on this board not to learn or have civil discussions about religion but rather you come to attack religion to make hateful demeaning and condescending remarks about it as if you better than everyone else. Well you are not.. sorry. So that's why I said if you don't have anything better to do than BULLY and harass people about their beliefs, then you have serious issues and all I can do is feel sorry for people like that.
NeedKarma is already on my ignore list and has been since January. I like it that way. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by N0help4u
The sad fact is that we cannot have a rational discussion about our different view points and beliefs. For Cred it's all vocabulary, say believe or belief, not fact, but to a Christian it is fact, not just belief, that's were the problems start.
None of us are innocent, I know I'm not, Sassy, either are you. When someone attacks our beliefs then we attack back, it's human nature. If we could all just agree to disagree there wouldn't be a need for all of this back and forth insulting.
We are all just trying to express our point of view, and neither side is doing a very good job of that. Let's face it, most of these threads are started to insult and provoke the other side. Both sides are guilty.
So, where has all this mud slinging gotten us? Have we reached a verdict? Are we any closer to resolving our differences? No. We have started allot of fights, arguments and hurt feelings, but other than that, we are no closer to accepting each others beliefs. So why continue? Can anyone tell me?
Exactly Altenweg it is all about attacks from both sides instead of an unspoken understanding that believers believe and non believers accept fact. Pages are taken up on the stupid pointing it out and then the point of the post is lost.
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