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Now you are, in both cases, catching on.
Unanswered questions of the day.
1. If, as you agree, all religions are not equal, then which one or ones would be better than the others?
2. If the words of Jesus are not reliable, then why do you bother to quote them?
3. Since you appealed to the Bible, do you consider it to be the final arbiter of truth? If not, then why did you appeal to it?
I don't rate them. That's God's job. My job is to love and care about my fellow humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
To make you happy.Quote:
2. If the words of Jesus are not reliable, then why do you bother to quote them?
God is the final arbiter of truth.Quote:
3. Since you appealed to the Bible, do you consider it to be the final arbiter of truth?
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
When the God of the OT exterminated all humanity except for Noah, was that philos?
When the God of the NT (Jesus) condemned all non-believers to hell, was that philos?
The God(s) of the Bible are far worse than anything the Moslems ever did.
But you did rate them. You said they were not all equal. That is a rating.Quote:
I don't rate them. That's God's job. My job is to love and care about my fellow humans.
Unspeakably poor answer.Quote:
To make you happy.
But you did not appeal to God. You appealed to the Bible.Quote:
God is the final arbiter of truth.
How do you know God did those things?Quote:
When the God of the OT exterminated all humanity except for Noah, was that philos?
When the God of the NT (Jesus) condemned all non-believers to hell, was that philos?
The God(s) of the Bible are far worse than anything the Moslems ever did.
They all teach various truths.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
You don't want to be happy?Quote:
Unspeakably poor answer.
When? What did I say?Quote:
But you did not appeal to God. You appealed to the Bible.
1. How do you know that what they say is true?
2. I would rather you be honest.
3. You referred to loving God and loving your neighbor. Remember?
Some beliefs are: Be kind to others. Nonviolence. The spark or spirit of God is within our soul. Freedom to choose how to behave (free will).Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
What??? But then you can't diss me!Quote:
2. I would rather you be honest.
That's in many religions.Quote:
3. You referred to loving God and loving your neighbor. Remember?
1. But how do you know those statements are true?
2. Like you just did to me?
3. Nope. You plainly said it was what Jesus said. That would be found in the Bible. And since you weren’t there to hear Him say those words, I don’t know why you did that.
I know people who are members of those religions and have read up on them so I know what they're talking about..Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
I was trying to make you laugh.Quote:
2. Like you just did to me?
Jesus and a whole bunch of other holy men said that. You want chapters and verses from other holy books?Quote:
3. Nope. You plainly said it was what Jesus said. That would be found in the Bible. And since you weren’t there to hear Him say those words, I don’t know why you did that.
1. How do you know your previous statements are true? (Some beliefs are: Be kind to others. Nonviolence. The spark or spirit of God is within our soul. Freedom to choose how to behave (free will).)
If you want to simply say they are beliefs, then that's fine. But to say they are "true" is a vastly more serious statement.
2. Right.
3. Back to being evasive. Why did you quote the Bible at first, but then decide that "God is the arbiter of truth"? Why the change?
Yes. I want chapter/verse from other holy books.
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Originally posted by Athos
When the God of the OT exterminated all humanity except for Noah, was that philos?
When the God of the NT (Jesus) condemned all non-believers to hell, was that philos?
The God(s) of the Bible are far worse than anything the Moslems ever did.
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Do you deny they are in your Bible?
No. I fully accept that they are in the Bible. God is a God of judgment as well as a God of love. It's what Jesus told us.
The Moslems are not, as Abraham termed it, "The judge of the whole earth." Only God has that right.
I would like to know where your beliefs come from. Are they just your ideas, or do you appeal to anything beyond you? And until you are prepared to answer honestly and openly, then don't bother asking any more questions. At least WG answers SOME questions. You don't like answering any at all. It will require some courage.
Here's one: Hindu -- Bhakti Yoga, cultivating the love for others but also love for God.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
So, you DO believe that God exterminated millions of human beings, and Jesus condemns billions of human being to eternal torture. How is that a God of Love?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
My beliefs are no concern of yours.Quote:
I would like to know where your beliefs come from.
My ideas come from the thought processes in my mind, just as your ideas come from the thought processes in YOUR mind. We've been over this ground before, yet you still seem unable to grasp this simple fact.Quote:
Are they just your ideas,
Why do you insist on being an a**hole? I really don't understand it. For the record, you are NOT the arbiter here of questions and answers and discussions. I know you want to be, but you are not.Quote:
until you are prepared to answer honestly and openly, then don't bother asking any more questions.
WG acts as she sees fit. She's nicer than me.Quote:
At least WG answers SOME questions.
To repeat, when you can ask an honest question that is relevant and does not contain an ulterior motive (such as discerning the best way to condemn me for a belief that may be different than yours), then I will gladly answer any question asked. To date, you have been unable to do so.Quote:
You don't like answering any at all.
Lol - using such a childish challenge to force me to answer makes you look silly. I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.Quote:
It will require some courage.
Nope. Mr. Silent is going to have to start answering some questions.
Fair enough, but then mine are also no concern of yours. The difference, of course, is that I don't mind having mine questioned. You plainly do.Quote:
My beliefs are no concern of yours.
WG, plagiarizing from a website is not chapter/verse. Show me in the Vedas where this is taught. And if you can do that, then tell me if you were there when those ancient men spoke those words. If you weren't, then how do you know they actually spoke those words? After all, you doubt the words of Jesus for that reason, don't you?Quote:
Here's one: Hindu -- Bhakti Yoga, cultivating the love for others but also love for God.
At any rate, you appealed to the Bible, but later said that only God is the final arbiter of truth. But if that is true, then why did you appeal to the Bible? How do you know that is even true, and how do you know these statements are true? "Some beliefs are: Be kind to others. Nonviolence. The spark or spirit of God is within our soul. Freedom to choose how to behave (free will)." In other words, I'm asking how you establish truth. Are you saying these statements are true, or are you just stating an opinion? If you say they are true, then why do you believe that to be so?
Because something is believed within your circle of liberal friends does not establish it as true anymore than something being believed among my circle of conservative friends makes it true. That's why I generally don't appeal to the opinions and beliefs of others.
https://vedicfeed.com/5-stages-of-love-hinduism/
Sorry, pal. You don't make the rules here.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
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posted by Athos ---- My beliefs are no concern of yours.
You have never been of the slightest concern to me. I find you close-minded and weak on grasping nuance. Both of those make you an uninteresting correspondent.Quote:
from Jl ----- Fair enough, but then mine are also no concern of yours.
No, it's just you - for reasons I have explained several times to you.Quote:
The difference, of course, is that I don't mind having mine questioned. You plainly do.
I'm dealing with an ill husband and post when I am able. Sorry it wasn't complete and to your satisfaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
And what is believed by you or me is not necessily true either. Thus, I'm interested in honest discussion.
My "circle of friends" are former coworkers/patrons who are Indian, Pakistani, Chinese, Filipino, Thai, etc.
Bye for now.
And that explains the doubtless hundreds of posts you have made in reply to my posts? Got it!Quote:
You have never been of the slightest concern to me
You just don't want to have your beliefs questioned. It's pretty obvious. For instance, when I see this post of yours, I wonder if that is just your opinion, or are you contending it is true for everyone. And if true for everyone, then how do you know it's true? I realize you are not going to answer. I just use it as an example.
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The more interesting question is about the nature of God rather than the nature of religion which most people have already figured out in the sense that they're all basically similar at their basic root.
Even the mystery of God is secondary to how humans have worked out the message of God. In other words, what is the correct way that God teaches us to live a life among other people. How we treat others is far more important than how we understand God.
Very sorry to hear that, WG. Life can be tough for sure.Quote:
I'm dealing with an ill husband and post when I am able.
Maybe they aren't so different and would see that if they shut up and learned to respectfully listen and weren't so intense on being more divine or sacred than another human.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
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