Ask Me Help Desk - The Trinity~~~Can it be trusted as a Bible Teaching?

It's a three in one concept that gives no names in it. It's a generic formula taken from paganism. There is only one scripture that states a three in one concept and it is not Christian.

"And I saw three unclean inspired expressions that looked like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet." (Rev 16:13)

WHat are they doing? "They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty." (Rev 16:14)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsRm...506D29&index=4

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Originally Posted by Brother Rando

It's a three in one concept that gives no names in it. It's a generic formula taken from paganism. There is only one scripture that states a three in one concept and it is not Christian.

That's what you believe? If so, thank you.

Can you state what mainstream Christianity believes?

Christians don't believe in the trinity because it is an anti-christian doctrine. However, there are about 2 Billion members of Christendom that do, these religions left the teaching of the apostles and got their start towards the end of the first century.

"Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared, from which fact we know that it is the last hour." (1 John 2:18)

"Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son." (1 John 2:22)

The trinity doctrine, or any trinity doctrine, denies that Jesus is the Christ by omission. It also denies the Christ as coming in the flesh. "This is how you know that the inspired statement is from God: Every inspired statement that acknowledges Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh originates with God.  But every inspired statement that does not acknowledge Jesus does not originate with God." (1 John 4:2-3)

It doesn't matter which trinity doctrine you use or believe in, because none of them acknowledge Jesus in their official doctrines.

"For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist." (2 John 7)

"Look out for yourselves, so that you do not lose the things we have worked to produce, but that you may obtain a full reward.  Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God." (2 John 8-9)

Wow! you'd better do some studying!

Please read the Nicene Creed along the way.

Trinitarians and modalists?

SNORE!!!! It's 7 am and I'm half asleep already...

What is your point with all of these discussions? Oh, and BTW, Christians do believe in the trinity, maybe you need to expand your religious horizons.

The Roman Empire is not Christian. SInce Modalism was the apostate teaching of the day, "Three personas make up one Essence" the council got apostates to form a creed at Constantine's request. Constantine was a Pagan Roman Ruler and his goal was to gather pagans and christians together into a Universal Religion. (Catholicism)

Modalism with a few tweaks became known as the trinity. Of course this teaching did not come from the Bible but adopted from Paganism. Christians who stuck to following Christ and the teaching of the Apostles were branded heretics and tortured, slaughtered, and burned alive which included children. Christendom was Born. To help Christendom grow, Pagan Holy Days were added, adjusted, and renamed.

Saturnalia was an ancient Roman festival in honour of the god Saturn. Since the evergreen tree was green all year round it became the pagan symbol for everlasting or eternal. They represented their false god with a star or an angel to place it to the most northern part of the tree. "For you have said in your heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also on the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:" (Isaiah 14:13 KJV) But how could Christendom get people to worship this false god without them knowing it? By placing gifts at the bottom of the tree with promises of great riches. Today, parents and children alike are more than willing to kneel before the tree in hopes of reaping materialism. An Act of Greed.

"Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

"The ancient Greek writer poet and historian Lucian (in his dialogue entitled Saturnalia) describes the festival’s observance in his time. In addition to human sacrifice, he mentions these customs: widespread intoxication; going from house to house while singing naked; rape and other sexual license; and consuming human-shaped biscuits (still produced in some English and most German bakeries during the Christmas season)." http://www.simpletoremember.com/vita...eRealStory.htm

Eastre' is a pagan festival with bunny rabbits and eggs that represent fertility in Pagan Religions. https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...agan-symbolism

The Romans and Greeks were people of symbols and imagination (As well as the Sciences, and Arts), and the dominant force in that part of the world during those times. I love the way instead of quoting scripture as fact, you finally get to the history, and the people that shaped it. Now we have a debate, and discussion instead of an online bible study lecture. It's important to note though that your use of "pagan" and obvious disdain of those non Christian peoples and their customs and traditions, is one of the attitudes that almost destroyed the religion in the first place. Not saying those other folks were any better in their own very strict and narrow approach to their religion, but I think the point that such human behavior from both the heathen and enlightened is too similar to be totally dismissed.

I find it fascinating though that the divide between the Catholics and non-Catholics is still profound if not as bloody, and how that divide shaped the Europe (And much of the known world) we now know. Constantine made Christianity legit in some regions even if he did add some "pagan" parts to it. Hard for some to accept, but what if he had not made it so palatable to non Christians?

Pagans had nothing to lose, many worshiped a whole host of deities. Even Catholics worship a triad of gods called the trinity. They have no issue with bowing down or kissing idols of wood or stone.

Have you ever heard of the ten commandments? I think they break all of them...

"I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.  You must not have any other gods besides me."

You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth

You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them, for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion

You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way, for Jehovah will not leave unpunished the one who takes up His name in a worthless way.

How about this one from Jesus? "Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One." (Matthew 23:9)

The Catholic Priest told me I didn't have to listen to Jesus, because that Catholic Church is now about tradition. I'm no longer a Catholic....

"Thus you make the word of God invalid by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like this." (Mark 7:13) Another teaching of Jesus Christ.

Take Care.

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Originally Posted by Brother Rando

Pagans had nothing to lose, many worshiped a whole host of deities. Even Catholics worship a triad of gods called the trinity. They have no issue with bowing down or kissing idols of wood or stone.

You don't understand the Trinity. It is a triad of PERSONS, not GODS.

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Have you ever heard of the ten commandments? I think they break all of them...

You are already breaking the commandment against bearing false witness.

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"I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.  You must not have any other gods besides me."

Note - other gods - the author of the Commandments believed there was more than one god.

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You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth

This refers to a carved image of one of those other gods. It does NOT refer, say, to the statue of Willie Mays in front of the baseball stadium in San Francisco.

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You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them, for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion

"them" "serve them" - again, those other gods. Context. Context. Context.

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You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way, for Jehovah will not leave unpunished the one who takes up His name in a worthless way.

This is a good place to remind you of dwashbur explanation of the origin of your "Jehovah".

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How about this one from Jesus? "Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One." (Matthew 23:9)

Do you think Jesus did not call Joseph his father? Or that Jesus was telling the billions of people on earth not to call their father father? This is part of your problem - when you want literal, it's literal. When you DON'T want literal, it's allegorical or whatever you want. That's called cherry-picking.

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The Catholic Priest told me I didn't have to listen to Jesus, because that Catholic Church is now about tradition. I'm no longer a Catholic....

The Catholic Church, no doubt, was glad to see you go.

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"Thus you make the word of God invalid by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like this." (Mark 7:13) Another teaching of Jesus Christ.

This hardly refers to a Church Mark never heard of and was not yet in existence.

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Take Care.

Et tu.