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Originally Posted by 450donn
I think murder is against Gods will and if you commit suicide it is taking a life.. your own and that is murder. What do you think?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 450donn
I think murder is against Gods will and if you commit suicide it is taking a life.. your own and that is murder. What do you think?
Is killing in self defense murder?Quote:
Originally Posted by 450donn
Will God understand and forgive suicide if someone is in insufferable pain with a terminal illness?Quote:
Is suicide the same as murder?
Is being mentally ill and committing suicide forgivable?
Murder is when you kill somebody else and you have somebody else's blood on your hands.
Not yourself.
Many people are brought up and taught that if you commit suicide then your automatically placed in hell. The thing is there are many things that are discovered now about suicide, like mentally ill, problems with the brain and chemical imbalances and so much more.
Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesushelper1976
Hope12,Quote:
Originally Posted by Hope12
And what authority do you use to base your beliefs? Out of curiosity.
She is a Witness. The interpretation of what Hell is.Quote:
Originally Posted by classyT
I didn't say He has a different set of rules for different people. I said he deals with us individually. There are things He may lead one person to do and not another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitkat22
But I will respectfully agree to disagree.
Also many people interpret the bible in many different ways but the bible is written in a way which it calls people in different ways. It is not as black and white like a lot of people like to believe it is. I agree with you Homegirl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homegirl 50
Joe
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Originally Posted by classyT
One of the prayers I learned growing up said Jesus descended to hell and on the third day he rose again.
Well if he descended to hell, does that mean Jesus was in hell or the grave. Also Jesus spoke to the thief as they were dying on the wood, was what? Today you will be with me in Paradise. Does that mean Hell is paradise lol.?
Lutherans (and other Protestants?) -- Jesus visited Hell to proclaim His victory over deathQuote:
Originally Posted by Jesushelper1976
Jehovah Witnesses -- Jesus was in the grave
Hello,Quote:
Originally Posted by classyT
God's word the Bible. No greater authoity can be found.
Hope12
Hello,Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesushelper1976
Definition of suicide and murder:
su•i•cide
1.the intentional taking of one's own life.
2. a person who intentionally takes his or her own life.
3. . to kill (oneself).
4. The act or an instance of intentionally killing oneself.
mur•der /ˈmɜrdər/ Show Spelled[mur-der] Show IPA
–noun
1, to kill by an act constituting murder.
2. . to kill
—Related forms
self-murder, noun
self-murdered, adjective
3. n. 1.The unlawful killing of one human
4. To put an end to; destroy: .
To my understanding: “ Suicide is self-murder.” Having said this , remember what Jesus told the criminal dying next to him, found at Luke 23: 39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. 42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.:” KJV
Friends and families can take comfort in knowing that this man was unrighteous—a lawbreaker rather than a distraught suicide victim, guilty by his own admission. Why would Jesus say this to a terrible criminal? For what purpose will God awaken this criminal? So that He mercilessly can hold his past sins against him? No, for Romans 6:7, 23 we are told: “7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.” 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” KJV
Jesus died for all mankind. Families and friends of a suicide victim then can take comfort in reading Psalm 103:10-14 says: “10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities. 11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him. 12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. 13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him. 14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.” KJV
Only God can fully understand the role of mental sickness, extreme stress, even genetic defects, in a “suicidal crisis,” The National Observer noted, “is not a lifetime characteristic [but] often a matter only of minutes or of hours.” Eccl. 7: “7 Surely oppression maketh a wise man mad; and a gift destroyeth the heart.” KJV
Someone who takes his own life deprives himself of the opportunity to repent of his self-murder. But who can say maybe that one driven to suicide might have had a change of heart his fatal attempt failed? Some murderers have changed and earned God’s forgiveness during their lifetime.—2 Kings 21:16; 2 Chronicles 33:12, 13. What about Manasseh and other’s such as King David? God, by means of Jesus death paid “a ransom in exchange for many,” It is within his right to extend mercy, even to some self-murderers, by resurrecting them and giving them the precious opportunity to “repent and turn to God by doing works that befit repentance.”—Matthew 20:28.
As far as the one who rashly took his own life is concerned, we humans cannot judge as to whether he will get a resurrection or not. How reprehensible was he? God alone searches our hearts and our thoughts.’ 1 Chronicles 28:9 We can be confident that ‘the Judge of all the earth is going to do what is loving, just, and right! Genesis 18:25. Who are we that we should judge?
Hope 12
Is that not what I said in my own words.
Except the self murder. That is twaddle talk.
Hope... You are in our prayers... Kit
Hello,Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesushelper1976
Hell when translated correctly means grave not a fiery torment,
The word “hell” to translated from the original Hebrew and Greek, Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (1981, Vol. 2, p. 187) says: “HADES.. . It corresponds to ‘Sheol’ in the O.T. [Old Testament]. In the A.V. of the O.T. [Old Testament] and N.T. [New Testament], it has been unhappily rendered ‘Hell.’”
Collier’s Encyclopedia (1986, Vol. 12, p. 28) says concerning “Hell”: “First it stands for the Hebrew Sheol of the Old Testament and the Greek Hades of the Septuagint and New Testament. Since Sheol in Old Testament times referred simply to the abode of the dead and suggested no moral distinctions, the word ‘hell,’ as understood today, is not a happy translation.” Job prayed to go to hell, if that is true, did Job what to be tourmented? PJon 14:13
Job 1: 8 “And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?” Why did Job go to hell if he was perfect and upright?”
Because of the way that the word “hell” is understood today that it is such an unsatisfactory translation of these original Bible words. Webster’s Third New International Dictionary, unabridged, under “Hell” says: “fr[om].. . Helan to conceal.” The word “hell” thus originally conveyed no thought of heat or torment but simply of a ‘covered over or concealed place.’ In the old English dialect the expression “helling potatoes” meant, not to roast them, but simply to place the potatoes in the ground or in a cellar.
Just something to think about if Hell is a fiery place torment.
Hope12
Thank you we all need to pray for one another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitkat22
Hope12:)
You still do not get it hope. I am talking, sharing and discussing.
Your so rigid in your thinking that there is no room for discussion.
Hello,Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesushelper1976
Maybe you can enlighten me? If I am so rigid in my thinking and you are so broad minded, you relize that all I am doing is stating Bible facts. Bible information is always open for discussion with me. What I understand I am sharing with others. That definitely I am sure leaves it open for more discussion.
Hope12
HelloQuote:
Originally Posted by Jesushelper1976
It is not my interpretation but what the scriptures say when translated from the original Hebrew and Greek text.
Hope12
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hope12
The man in Luke 16:24 cries: ". . .I am tormented in this FLAME."
In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says: "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting FIRE,. . ."
Revelation 20:15 says, " And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE."
In Luke 16, Jesus Christ gives a frightening picture of hell:
22.. . The rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. (Luke 16:22-28)
In Mark 9:46, Jesus Christ says about hell: "Where THEIR WORM dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."
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