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Amen galveston, It is the greatest thing that has ever happen to me,
Being in the spirit of the Lord.
Neselkarma, get an easy reading bible
And take a look at what you are missing.
"Call on Me, and I'll show you things
you never would have imagined"
Says the Lord, Jer.33:3
Maggie 3
If I were the moderator, I'd shut this thread down.
Galveston, I don't mean any disrespect but it seems from the onset that you've had an axe to grind with somebody... or at least you seem generally miffed.
I suppose that I'm bothering to say something here because I can already see that this post is going absolutely nowhere and you clearly have a strong opinion about this subject already so it's clear that you won't be moved. But where is your humility, man? Take a step back for a minute and evaluate what your real motivation was for posting this because it just doesn't seem genuine.
Respectfully.
I will make the attempt. Will you attempt to understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
John 16:13
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(KJV)
The Spirit of truth is the Holy Ghost (or Spirit, the same meaning) He came to the Church as recorded in Acts 2:4, and He shows us what truth is. He teaches us what Christ brought to us.
Rom 8:7
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
(KJV)
"Carnal" simply means "natural". The mind we were born with. If we only accept what our physical senses tell us, we will never make the connection with God. Since there is no connection, it can't help but be a law-breaker. That is why the "new birth" is necessary.
Jake, I apologize if I have given you this impression.Quote:
Originally Posted by jakester
My reason for posting the question in the first place is to try to make more people aware of the blessings that come with the Baptism in/of the Holy Spirit. Blessings that are just not available without this experience.
So many Christians live really inconsistent lives. They are ineffective witnesses, they are too often defeated, they do not realize who they are in Christ, or what their purpose is in relation to Christ.
The Holy Spirit gives power to LIVE as God wants us to.
I have no axe to grind, but I'm not PC either.
So how do you witness now to be effective? If you are friends with an agnostic person, what would you say and do?Quote:
Originally Posted by galveston
Egocentric is what I am reading. Hmmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by jakester
I will make the attempt. Will you attempt to understand?
John 16:13
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(KJV)
The Spirit of truth is the Holy Ghost (or Spirit, the same meaning) He came to the Church as recorded in Acts 2:4, and He shows us what truth is. He teaches us what Christ brought to us.
How can that be since this "spirit" does not speak of himself (what does that mean?) but whatsoever he hears he speaks - that doesn't make any sense at all. I assume "shew" is supposed to be "show"? Then that is saying that the person has the power to see the future - this I do not believe since there is no one person that has ever done that.
Rom 8:7
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
(KJV)
"Carnal" simply means "natural". The mind we were born with. If we only accept what our physical senses tell us, we will never make the connection with God. Since there is no connection, it can't help but be a law-breaker. That is why the "new birth" is necessary.
Well that's not what the normal usage of carnal is (hint: relating to or given to crude bodily pleasures and appetites; marked by sexuality; bodily, corporeal; temporal; worldly). So the mind we were born with is an enemy to god? How does that make sense? Why would a god do that? I have no connection to your god and yet I don't break the law.
So now I get a free phycoanalisis? Do I have to come to your office, or can you do it online?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Pretty much what I have been doing all along; share the Truth. Jesus is Truth personified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
If that agnostic were in close enough proximity, I would introduce him/her to people who have been filled with the Holy Ghost and/or have been healed by the power of God through the Name of Jesus Christ.
Remember Paul's words to the Corinthians:
1 Cor 2:4-5
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
(KJV)
He wasn't relying on his intellect or some ritual.
How would you start? How would you present it?Quote:
Originally Posted by galveston
What if the person is a stranger?
The New Testament was written in Greek, and to get the meaning of a word you need to use a Greek/English dictionary, but one that goes back to the era in which the verse was written. The meaning may not always be the same as it is in current usage. However, even in the sense that you use it, the meaning is still "fleshly".Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
God did not create man in a fallen or sinful state. That was man's decision, and we have been living with it ever since.
You may not break the moral law, but if you do not love God, you have broken the whole law, because that is the first commandment given to Israel, and restated by Jesus.
Matt 22:38-40
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
(KJV)
I did receive the Holy spirit and I base this on :
"In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory." (Ephesians 1:13)
I was SEALED the instant I believed. Clear as crystal.
What does this mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by classyT
True, Classy, and I don't doubt it for a moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by classyT
But being sealed is not the same thing as being baptized. There is more for you if you want it.
Gal,
I Have it all!! I can speak in tongues too but sometimes I do question if it just me... does that make sense?
Wondergirl,
It means when I believed what Christ did for me at the Christ... HE sealed me with the HOLY SPIRIT. The apostle Paul said it... not me.
What did Christ do at the Christ?Quote:
Originally Posted by classyT
WG,
Typo... it means I believe what Christ did for me at the CROSS... sorry...
That's true of all believers. But sealed into what?Quote:
Originally Posted by classyT
Sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise the second that I believed according to the Bible.
Sealed,sanctified,saved. Pick the word that fits best.
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