Tj3,
I believe all of the bible.
I just do not believe some of the ways that you interpret it.
I know what the bible says about that and I believe that Jesus meant exactly what He said.
If you don't that is for you to decide for you, but not for me.
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Tj3,
I believe all of the bible.
I just do not believe some of the ways that you interpret it.
I know what the bible says about that and I believe that Jesus meant exactly what He said.
If you don't that is for you to decide for you, but not for me.
Fred...Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
The Bible... The Word.... is in reference of Life (or) Death
The meaning of satan is death...
The meaning of God's love and Christ is Life... His children, those who follow have Life.
There are 3 different verse that speak of where the dead of the flesh return.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
2 Corinthians 5:7-8
Luke 16:24
Ecclesiasters 12:6-7
None say we can pray for them or to them... The Word makes it very clear that once your flesh leaves to return home to the Father, that there is no contact with the flesh of the earth.. (Luke 16:27) confirmed how we on earth have what was fulfilled in scripture, and once departed from the body you will go to one side of the gulf or the other.. . But by no means will you send messages of hope to brothers!
Jesus did mean exactly what he said - and did not mean for verses to be taken out of context of what he said.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
This is what the topic is.
What biblical support is there for asking saints to pray for us?
I am interested in that nothing else.
Thanks
Right - and the answer is clearly - None!Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Amazing that it took 26 posts to arrive at the same answer I said in post number 2!
Thanks Tj3
450donn
But I do believe that The Saints in heaven CAN pray for us.
Fred
If you are talking about the saints here on earth, yes, the Bible tells us to pray for each other. Of course, if we are saints here on earth, we don't need purgatory, do we.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
You can believe what you want but we are not discussing what YOU believe, but rather what the Bible says.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Tj3,
Then please tell me what bible passages support The theology that the Saints in heave or earth can pray for us.
The question is NOT about asking for biblical passages which may be used in disfavor of that.
Fred
Does this one qualify?Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
1 Timothy 2:1-4 I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone— for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
Or this one?
James 5:13-16 Is any one of you in trouble? He should pray. Is anyone happy? Let him sing songs of praise. Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
Wondergirl,
Very good.
Those can be used for that.
Thanks,
Fred
I think that for another saint to ask some 1 to pray for them you have to believe and have faith in god that he will answer your prayers I have faith and believe that god will be answer every body prayers just keep your faith.
I did - I said plenty for those on earth, but none for those in heavenQuote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Tj3,
I'm not interested in your negatives.
I'm looking for positive responses.
Jesus said that God is the God of the living, not the dead.
I believe Jesus.
Fred
Fred, an honest response is sometimes negative.Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
You do know that was a defense of the truth of the resurrections against the Sadduccees who denied it, don't you? You do know that it in no way contradicts the Biblical prohibition against communication with the dead, don't you?Quote:
Jesus said that God is the God of the living, not the dead.
Yj3,
I know what Jesus said and how He said it.
It was positive.
That is good enough for me.
So if your interpretation taking it out of context is positive, that is all you need? Once you take it out of context, it is not God's word you are following, but yours. Here is the question that was being asked when that comment was made:Quote:
Originally Posted by arcura
Mark 12:18-20
18 Then some Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to Him; and they asked Him, saying: 19 "Teacher, Moses wrote to us that if a man's brother dies, and leaves his wife behind, and leaves no children, his brother should take his wife and raise up offspring for his brother. 20 Now there were seven brothers. The first took a wife; and dying, he left no offspring.
NKJV
Do you believe God when He prohibited communication with the dead?
Deut 18:10-14
10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you. 13 You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. 14 For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God has not appointed such for you.
NKJV
Tj3,
I do NOT take it out of context.
Please quit with your false accusations.
Fred
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