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Originally Posted by classyT

... I don't hate him because he calls himself a Christian or Catholic or whatever...

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No one here is hating him because he calls himself a Christian or Catholic or whatever.

Well whathisface.. said he despised fundie's... I don't call that LOVE.

I just find it very interesting that Christians in general are the ones who are called intolerant... thats all I am sayng. I'm not trying to get off thread, don't want exy mad at me.

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Originally Posted by classyT

well whathisface..

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You show a lack of respect for others.

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Originally Posted by classyT

Who cares? Ya know, i'm a "happy clappy fundie" you "despise" and we have never even met. Being a Christian fundie, I TRY not to run around insulting people because they don't believe like I dO. I mean, I COULD call all agnostics babbling BAFFOONs if you are any indication of what they are like.

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Well quite, however I would be very surprised if you in fact knew what an agnostic even is. That said, you have raised a valid criticism. I should rather have said that I despise the movement itself, rather than the people it preys upon. This was a mistake on my part, and I apologise for any confusion.

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Originally Posted by Tokugawa

Well quite, however I would be very surprised if you in fact knew what an agnostic even is. That said, you have raised a valid criticism. I should rather have said that I despise the movement itself, rather than the people it preys upon. This was a mistake on my part, and I apologise for any confusion.

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Why would you be surprised that I would know what an agnostic is? Because I'm blonde, female, stupid or Christian? Or is it all of the above?

Incidentally NK... I was in a hurry when I called him whathisface... wasn't about lack of respect I just didn't recall his name and I had someone at the door. Having said THAT... hows about HIS lack of respect for others... or are you just down on Christian funides that have a brain and an opinion too?

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Does this mean that you believe him to be a fine upstanding person?

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It is not my call to label him. He is what he is, love him or hate him.

It's not your call either.

I notice that you frequently take swipe at Christians. The hypocrisy of the leftstream media totally eclipses anything you can find in any church.

But then, I suppose it is proper to hold people who claim to be Christians to a higher standard.

And it seems to be proper to hold republicans to a higher standard.

And the left doesn't hold dems to any standard, because they have none, and some on the left have said as much.

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Originally Posted by galveston

It is not my call to label him. He is what he is, love him or hate him.

It's not your call either.

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But yet you post about Obama all the time. In your post above you labeled all democrats have having no standards. Following your own advice would be a good thing, no?

Look at you labeling people here: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post1689785

You deny the accuracy of my statement in that post?

What I am saying about this thread is that when the left disagrees with anyone claiming to be Christian, they immediately paste the hypocrite label on that person. Just because you don't like their opinion doesn't make them a hypocrite.

Hypocrisy is when you "manage" news to suit yourself rather than facts, then throw the hypocrisy charge at the opposition.

The mainstream media (which is losing ratings) does it all the time.

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Originally Posted by galveston

... they immediately paste the hypocrite label on that person. Just because you don't like their opinion doesn't make them a hypocrite...

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A hypocrite is "a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings". Hypocrisy can happen based on many belief systems that are compromised; it just happens that the cases that crop here are people who tout their christian values but act differently.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

A hypocrite is "a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings". Hypocrisy can happen based on many belief systems that are compromised; it just happens that the cases that crop here are people who tout their christian values but act differently.

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Again, I notice that your context for hypocrisy seems to be limited to Christianity.
You don't see this as too narrow a context?

Let me ask you a direct question.

Do you see hypocrisy in the news services? Yes or no.

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Originally Posted by galveston

Again, I notice that your context for hypocricy seems to be limited to Christianity.

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You fail at comprehension.

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Originally Posted by galveston

Let me ask you a direct question.

Do you see hypocricy in the news services? Yes or no.

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No. What they do is not defined as hypocrisy (see definition in my previous quote).

I believe that most people understand that Fox is a GOP talking point organization. They do as expected.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You fail at comprehension.


No. What they do is not defined as hypocrisy (see definition in my previous quote).

I believe that most people understand that Fox is a GOP talking point organization. They do as expected.

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Your reply is kind of what I expected.

If the other news outlets are so dependable, why is Fox beating them all hollow in the ratings? Why is the NYT on the verge of bankruptcy? Could it be that the public is becoming aware of just how hypocritical and slanted they are?

What they give a pass for to their guys, they will demonize their opposition for, including all manner of vile and profane innuendos and will even manufacture stories if none are available.

That's the way I see it, and remember, perception is everything, right??

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Originally Posted by classyT

NK,

I like Hannity. I don't agree with everything he says but I think he is a fine upstanding person and I don't hate him because he calls himself a Christian or Catholic or whatever...now see how TOLERANT i am...

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That's not even close to what this thread is about...

Hannity says he would torture Gitmo detainees and tries to somehow justify it by saying "and im a Christian". And you still believe he is an upstanding person.

Should we assume you too think torture is good? Oh, no, that's right. You don't agree with everything he says. But to me a torturer is far from a fine upstanding person. Wouldn't you agree?

I think it is imortant to look at the subtext of Hannity's statement. For example, when he says "....and I'm a Christian.", what he is really saying is "... and I'm a good person.". This means he has taken the ludicrous position that his assertion must be "good" a priori, and that he need not bother with any meaningful justification. This tendency is all to common in the MODERN evangelical movement, and is the main reason why I avoid engagement with such people.

They make a complete mockery of the fine Christian orders that have contributed so much to western intellectual and philosophical development. Decartes, Aquinas, St Augustine, Hobbes, Locke, these great Christian thinkers would be ashamed of what the fundie lunatics have done to their great tradition.

Hello:

So, he's saying that torture must not be bad, because I, a good Christian person, would do it, and wouldn't think twice about it??

Yup. He didn't even think once about it... I'm still waiting for a Christian to speak about the torture of Jesus Christ... and then tell me that they think torture is cool.

excon

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello:

So, he's saying that torture must not be bad, because I, a good Christian person, would do it, and wouldn't think twice about it???

Yup. He didn't even think once about it... I'm still waiting for a Christian to speak about the torture of Jesus Christ... and then tell me that they think torture is cool.

excon

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So 30 second spurts of waterboarding under the supervision of a physican to make sure no actual harm is done can be equated with crucifixion?

Do you understand crucifixion, or are your comments pure hyperbole?

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Originally Posted by Skell

That's not even close to what this thread is about...

Hannity says he would torture Gitmo detainees and tries to somehow justify it by saying "and im a Christian". And you still believe he is an upstanding person.

Should we assume you too think torture is good? Oh, no, thats right. You dont agree with everything he says. But to me a torturer is far from a fine upstanding person. Wouldnt you agree?

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Skell

Please don't answer for me... you don't know me. I already apologized to ex for "hijacking" his thread.. if he didn't have a problem.. why do YOU? OH! I know... it is because I'm a Christian! (oops did I go and answer for YOU?) AND because I don't dislike Hannity. NK used the word "upstanding".. and I repeated it. Honestly? I don't KNOW Hannity nor what kind of person he REALLY is. I am NOT willing to stand in judgement of anyone for a comment. Last time I checked this was America and we could voice our opinions... right or wrong, politically correct or not.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello:

So, he's saying that torture must not be bad, because I, a good Christian person, would do it, and wouldn't think twice about it???

Yup. He didn't even think once about it... I'm still waiting for a Christian to speak about the torture of Jesus Christ... and then tell me that they think torture is cool.

excon

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Ex,

No one thinks that torture is cool... ok I shouldn't speak for everyone. But NORMAL people don't. If I had lost someone on one of the airplanes or in the twin towers, or better yet SURVIVED the twin towers... I'd be a whole lot more interested in how to prevent another attack than I would in whether water boarding is torture. Good Grief, if you are stupid enough to come to our country and kill our people... let me rephrase.. TORTURE and KILL our people... well you get what you get. Last I check THEY still have BREATH! I'd love to be able to do a survey on the people on fire and the ones that plummeted to their deaths jumping off the twin towers, or suffering in agony while the plane was crashing.. and asked THEM if they think waterboarding is torture? Better yet... lets give THEM the choice?? water boarding... or fall to your death on fire? GEEE? Wonder what they would pick?

If Jesus hadn't suffered and died, I couldn't and wouldn't be a Christian. It is his death, burial and resurrection that I believe in. I do NOT believe that torture is cool but it was NECESSARY because God allowed it. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. I don't know why it has to be that way but it does. I don't think comparing the Lord Jesus to this is beneficial.

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Originally Posted by classyT

wonder what they would pick?

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Yeah, torture all the "terrorists," even if we're not sure they have anything to do with terrorism. They're the right color and culture. WWJD? Thought he groaned something about forgiving enemies when he was on the cross.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Yeah, torture all the "terrorists," even if we're not sure they have anything to do with terrorism. They're the right color and culture. WWJD? Thought he groaned something about forgiving enemies when he was on the cross.

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WG,

You can't have it both ways... our nation has fought and won wars... we weren't exactly forgiving our enemies THEN... so I guess we were wrong fighting for our country in the revelutionary war, and then all the ones that followed. Guess we shouldn't even had stopped Hitler.. heck, we should have simply "forgiven" him. Give me a break.

And just sos you know... WG... wWOULDjd... and wWILLjd.. gonna be two different things in his Kingdom.