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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Yes, how true ! How little they know, how much they assume !
Many people even BELIEVE such an entity exists ....

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Should we understand by that last remark that you DON'T?

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All I query is if there is any Objective Supported Evidence (OSE) for "God's" existence.
That is not the same as that I do not believe in such a "God" entity.

From your topic it is clear that you BELIEVE that "God" exists.
And in contrast with that
I do not see any Objective Supported Evidence (OSE) for "God's" existence.

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Originally Posted by arcura

Everything that exists has a beginning.

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Dear Fred : please answer the following questions :

Pnt 1 : If you tell me that "God" not always existed, than Who or What caused the beginning of "God", and Why ?

Pnt 2 : If you tell me that "God" always existed, than your argument itself is false and invalid, as not "everything that exists" had a beginning.
(Or you just proved that "God" does not exist, as he always existed... ) :rolleyes:

As an after-thought one more point additional to any of your answers : If "God" always existed, why ONLY "God"? Why did not many other things always existed?

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GOD is not amazing... The lacking and invalid logic here is amazing!

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I are amazing. And I gots me plenty of OSE ta prove it.

The problem with the "who/what came first" argument is that the mind is trapped in the 4th dimension: time. We cannot perceive anything beyond of that and therefore, efforts are futile.

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Originally Posted by DrJizzle

I are amazing. And I gots me plenty of OSE ta prove it.

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Your grammar, spelling, attitude, and lacking support of your claim surely are amazing...

Please show some respect for the religious ideas of others...

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Is OSE a Religious idea?

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Originally Posted by DrJizzle

Is OSE a Religious idea?

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O = Objective
S = Supported
E = Evidence

OSE is not a religious idea. OSE reflects factual proof, something completely missing from religion.

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Originally Posted by DrJizzle

I are amazing. And I gots me plenty of OSE ta prove it.

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I still see not any proof for that claim or taking back of that claim...

:rolleyes:

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michealb,
I KNOW the answer. God created all that is seen and unseen.
I can't prove it scientifically but personally I know it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

I KNOW the answer. God created all that is seen and unseen.
I can't prove it scientifically but personally I know it.

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You call that "know" but it is no more than what you BELIEVE to be.
Of course you may EXPERIENCE that as knowing...

Have a nice day too, Fred !

John

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Cred:

What came before the big bang?

What caused it ?

Do you have OSE?

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Originally Posted by inthebox

what came before the big bang? What caused it ? Do you have OSE?

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Time started with the Big Bang. Time is a dimension. So there is no "before" the Big Bang.

We can not know what was there "before" the Big Bang, as for everything in this universe there is no "before" the Big Bang. How can one know anything of what to all it this universe never existed ?

Of course YOU may BELIEVE that...

Just as in Captain Kirk, Superman, God, and many others...

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Cred,
CORRECTION...
I KNOW God exists.
He proved that to me.
It is far more than just belief.
Fred

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Time started with the Big Bang. Time is a dimension. So there is no "before" the Big Bang.

We can not know what was there "before" the Big Bang, as for everything in this universe there is no "before" the Big Bang. How can one know anything of what to all it this universe never existed ?

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Where is your OSE for what you state - or is that something that you believe :rolleyes:;)


So there was " nothing "? Before the big bang?
If so, how did "nothing" cause the big bang?
Where is your OSE?

inthebox,
Excellent question.
I look forward to the answer if any.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

... I KNOW God exists. He proved that to me. It is far more than just belief.

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Dear Fred : You say you know, but you can not prove that to be so. Therefore I'll accept that as your BELIEF, not as reality.

For you your belief may be or seem your reality. For me and many other billion people it is not reality. For it to become that reality you have to prove it to be so by showing OSE.

Have a nice day, Fred !

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Time started with the Big Bang. Time is a dimension. So there is no "before" the Big Bang. We can not know what was there "before" the Big Bang, as for everything in this universe there is no "before" the Big Bang. How can one know anything of what to all in this universe never existed ?

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Where is your OSE for what you state - or is that something that you believe

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Why do you want from me OSE for time being a dimension? Do you agree or diasgree with that?

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Originally Posted by inthebox

So there was " nothing "? before the big bang?

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I did not state that : I stated that "there is no "before" the Big Bang".
Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

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Originally Posted by inthebox

If so, how did "nothing" cause the big bang?

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I'll answer that as soon as YOU can OSE prove to me that God always existed.

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Originally Posted by inthebox

Where is your OSE?

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Indeed : Where is YOUR OSE??

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Originally Posted by arcura

...I look forward to the answer if any....

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Fred, please do not be silly : you know very well I will answer such questions.

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Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Fred, please do not be silly : you know very well I will answer such questions.

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Of course you don't. You can't.
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As I have said before just because you don't know the answer doesn't mean god did it. It just means you don't know. I don't see anything wrong with not knowing something however I do think it is wrong to claim something to be true without some basis for that statement.

Cred,
Why do you not believe what I said.
I said I KNOW God exists.
He proved that to me.
Knowing is a lot more than believing.
There is no way you can prove that I do not Know God exists.
I do not need to prove that I know.
You either accept my word on that or you don't, but please do not try to tell me that I just believe something that I know. That IS unacceptable for it is untrue.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

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Originally Posted by arcura

... Knowing is a lot more than believing ...

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Precisely ! I agree. Believing is accepting something you have no OSE for.
Knowing (as in factual) is accepting something that is OSE based.

You say that you KNOW that God exixts.
But you do not KNOW that, dear Fred. You BELIEVE that.
And that is the reason why you keep repeating that you know, but keep failing to provide the OSE to prove that what you claim to know is anything more than what you actually BELIEVE!!

From me you may BELIEVE anything you want, and assume that personally as a fact.
But it only becomes a fact as soon as you provide OSE for that.

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Originally Posted by arcura

There is no way you can prove that I do not Know God exists.

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Fred, from me you do not have to prove anything.
But till the moment that you prove your CLAIM of what you say to know is more than a wild claim which you BELIEVE to be "true", it has no value as reality at all (other than for you only).

It is not I who needs to prove anything, dear Fred.
I do not claim anything. I ask you to support that what you claim to be factual with OSE.
And as long as you do not do that, all you claim to "know" is what you BELIEVE.

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