I am sorry about the concentration camp remark. It was uncalled for. I just get angry at the anti-Christian remarks that are being used to turn people away from God.

I think you can understand how frustrating it gets when people post on threads that they really shouldn't be posting on. This post is from the thread you suggested I might read to better understand how most atheists believe.

It is directed at a Christian: "This thread is not about YOUR beliefs, this is not the place to argue why Christianity is the "way" the "truth" or whatever. This thread was started to find out WHY atheists believe what they do and what they in fact, believe."

I am glad to see that you understand what I am talking about. So many times atheists have come to Christian threads to profess that God does not exist. Just because they don't believe in Him, doesn't mean that He does not exist. I see this as atheists trying to push their beliefs on to those searching for God, when they should be on threads like the one you suggested and anyone looking for nothing, could go there.

Oh, and you can't blame me for either Bush, I had nothing to do with that!

The thing you must remember, Donna is that this is a public site - all are welcome. So while it might be rude for someone of another faith to post in one area or another, they have as much right to be there as anyone else. And it's only rude for them to post if they post rude remarks; if I go to the Christianity board and tell someone struggling with their faith "I hope you find what it is you are looking for" that's not rude or uncalled for. There are trolls and antagonizers of any, all, and no religion. It's best when you find one to add them to your "ignore" list. It's one of my favorite features of this site...

I'm not sure if this is true or not but wasn't President Lincoln a non-religious person? I have read that he used the bible scriptures for moral references in speeches and often discussed religion when referring to the war but did not claim to believe in a higher power.

I myself being a non-believer, agree with Jillianleab's first comment about how an atheist president would not try and mix religion with the government. Makes sense to me. I vote for whoever I think can do the job the best. That's all that matters to me.

The real issue is that people want their elected officials to pass laws that "THEY" want. That is why we have lobby groups for and against guns, for and against abortion, for and against pit bulls, and so on. We have groups that advoce almost anything one can think of and a few I could not even think of.

So when I vote I want to have elected someone that will follow MY ideas. And I form with others with my similar view points.
Now if the atheist was pro life, and was against laws restricting religion, and for a simple straight tax or some better tax system, I would have no problem,
So it is the issue I prefer to see done, that they at leat promise to do that is my voting issues.

I can't understand why people try so hard to discredit the founding father's of this country.
The schools barely teach history anymore and it seems that when they do it's to teach our children that the founding father's didn't believe in God. What a lie. This country was founded on God.

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The real issue is that people want thier elected officials to pass laws that "THEY" want. that is why we have lobby groups for and against guns, for and against abortion, for and against pit bulls, and so on. We have groups that advoce almost anything one can think of and a few I could not even think of.

So when I vote I want to have elected someone that will follow MY ideas. And I form with others with my simular view points.
Now if the athiest was pro life, and was against laws restricting religion, and for a simple straight tax or some better tax system, I would have no problem,
So it is the issue I prefer to see done, that they at leat promise to do that is my voting issues.

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Well said Chuck!

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I can't understand why people try so hard to discredit the founding father's of this country.
The schools barely teach history anymore and it seems that when they do it's to teach our children that the founding father's didn't believe in God. What a lie. This country was founded on God.

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How is saying that Lincoln didn't believe in God discredited him in any way? Not everyone that came to America believed in God. Some wanted to get away from tyrants that forced religious beliefs on them. Oh, and I didn't learn this about Lincoln from school. I have read it in numerous biographies about him because he is my favorite president to learn about. :rolleyes:

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I'm just curious how many intelligent Christians....

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What about the dumb christians? You don't care about their opinion?

I would NOT support a president who didn't believe in God. If the country was run based on the principles on the Bible then we would be far better off.

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I would NOT support a president who didn't believe in God. If the country was run based on the principles on the Bible then we would be far better off.

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But it is and you aren't.

Regardless of religion If the person running for office can do the job I would vote for that person. And didn't the founding fathers basically say "freedom of religion" that says to me I can believe anything I want to. Not what the government wants me to believe.

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Regardless of religion If the person running for office can do the job I would vote for that person. And didn't the founding fathers basically say "freedom of religion" that says to me I can believe anything I want to. Not what the government wants me to believe.

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As a lifelong Christian, I don't care whether he or she has a religion (Christian or not) or no religion... as long as the president is fair and moral and upholds the Constitution. Many of the founding fathers were deists, and that's not a Christian's version of who God is. And yes, they definitely wanted to prevent a national, government-sponsored religion.

Wondergirl and spitvenom :
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Accordingly to the US Constitution the religion of the President should be something important only to the President, as the Constitution clearly describes full Separation of Church and State.
The reality is of course that many actions and decisions of the President are related to the religious preference of the President and/or of the political pressure groups that helped the President into the White House.
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This country was founded on God.

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Can you give reasons you feel this is true?

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I'm just curious how many intelligent Christians would ever consider supporting an atheist for US president. What about other public offices, such as the senate? Would credentials matter? Or would a candidate's lack of faith in a supreme being preclude you voting for him/her regardless of qualifications? Thanks.

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I believe True Christian will not vote an atheist for president. According to the bible people who are not believe in God are fools and doers of abomination. In the Dollar Bill there's a phare "In God we Trust", If an atheist president of USA he might change it into "theres is no god". Pity country.

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I'm just curious how many intelligent Christians would ever consider supporting an atheist for US president. What about other public offices, such as the senate? Would credentials matter? Or would a candidate's lack of faith in a supreme being preclude you voting for him/her regardless of qualifications? Thanks.

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It wouldn't make any difference as long as he had the relevant qualifications to do the job I