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Then please be clear - are you saying that it is a mental defect or sin? You were the one who brought up the terms mental defect and mental illness.

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No. I am saying it is not what God intended when he created the world.

Did He want us to have mental defects and diseases and mental illnesses?

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No. I am saying it is not what God intended when he created the world.

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You are still not being clear. In what way is it not what God intended? It is either a defect (and since it affects thinking it would be a mental defect) or it is sin.

Please stop beating around the bush.

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Then please be clear - are you saying that it is a mental defect or sin? You were the one who brought up the terms mental defect and mental illness.

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What color were Adam's and Eve's eyes?

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You are still not being clear. In what way is it not what God intended? It is either a defect (and since it affects thinking it would be a mental defect) or it is sin.

Please stop beating around the bush.

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Is a spider that bites you a sin?

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You are still not being clear. In what way is it not what God intended? It is either a defect (and since it affects thinking it would be a mental defect) or it is sin.

Please stop beating around the bush.

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Adam and Eve each had determinate physical and psychological properties. From that fact that, after the Fall, deviations from these properties emerged it does not follow that those deviations are defects or sins. They are just deviations from what was initially created.

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Is a spider that bites you a sin?

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First you won't talk about orientation, claiming that it is not part of the topic, now you want to discuss spiders. Why - do yolu think spiders are involved in sexual sin?

Why do you keep beating around the bush - you raised the point, so why are you so afraid to simply make it clear what you are trying to say.

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Adam and Eve each had determinate physical and psychological properties. From that fact that, after the Fall, deviations from these properties emerged it does not follow that those deviations are defects or sins. They are just deviations from what was initially created.

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So are deviation which is contrary to the design is not a defect? Failing to do what God commanded is not a sin?

And yet God condemns it.

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First you won't talk about orientation, claiming that it is not part of the topic, now you want to discuss spiders. Why - do yolu think spiders are involved in sexual sin?

Why do you keep beating around the bush - you raised the point, so why are you so afraid to simply make it clear what you are trying to say.

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Is a weed in your garden a sin? Is an avalanche a sin? Is it a sin when your wife burns a pan of cookies?

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Is a weed in your garden a sin? Is an avalance a sin? Is it a sin when your wife burns a pan of cookies?

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Boy you will do anything to distract from the topic when it gets uncomfortable, eh?

If you really believe what you are saying, why are you so afraid to answer the question?

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If you really believe what you are saying, why are you so afraid to answer the question?

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Please answer my questions. Humor me. They are pretty easy.

When chimps, engage in homosexual behavior, is it a sin?

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Please answer my questions. Humor me. They are pretty easy.

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You and Akoue won't answer mine all of which are on topic, so why should I bother with yours. A discussion is a two way street.

Why are you afraid to clarify you own statement?

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When chimps, engage in homosexual behavior, is it a sin?

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More to the point - do you believe that animals sin?

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You and Akoue won't answer mine all of which are on topic, so why should I bother with yours. A discussion is a two way street.

Why are you afraid to clarify you own statement?

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Um, I asked first. You have no answers? Just yes or no is OK with me.

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Um, I asked first. You have no answers? Just yes or no are ok with me.

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You clearly live in a different timeline if you think you asked first. Are you telling me that there is a distortion in the time-space continuum?

We will get nowhere this way. You made a statement - are you prepared to stand behind it or not?

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You clearly live in a different timeline if you think you asked first. Are you telling me that there is a distortion in the time-space continuum?

We will get nowhere this way. You made a statement - are you prepared to stand behind it or not?

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I'm so sorry you can't figure out the answers to my three easy questions or to Akoue's. Maybe classyT will return and answer them.

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I'm so sorry you can't figure out the answers to my three easy questions or to Akoue's. Maybe classyT will return and answer them.

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So I must assume that since you are avoiding my request for clarification, the fact that there is no third option between sin or metal defect / illness is something that you perhaps did not anticipate in your theory and now wish to avoid.

I understand.

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Of course homosexuality was not part of God's plan when He created a perfect world. And yes, homosexuality wasn't part of the picture -- He created men and women to be fruitful and multiply. But then something happened to upset God's plan, didn't it. Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden tree. God's perfect plan was no more. The world became imperfect, and death happened. As people were born into the world, they were born imperfect -- with physical and mental defects and illnesses. They died before or at birth. They also were born not only as heterosexuals, but also as homosexuals.

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I got to agree with you here. My nephew was born with autism. Was that God's plan? Maybe, just maybe classy t and is it Tom? (Sorry if I got your name wrong) Maybe something went wrong in the formation of "opposite sex attraction" just as something went wrong in the "brain activity" formation of my nephew. You don't see his "mis" formation being condemned. Why should you condemn homosexuality then? Why would God shun something like this. I don't believe he does and you can show me scripture to back up your assertion all day long, but I don't consider it as fact. It's just words written from long ago that could be misconstrued in many ways. Just like we humans are born with the possibility of our formation being misconstrued in many ways.

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So I must assume that since you are avoiding my request for clarification, the fact that there is no third option between sin or metal defect / illness is something that you perhaps did not anticipate in your theory and now wish to avoid.

I understand.

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Lolololololololol You can't answer my questions!!

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lolololololololol You can't answer my questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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If you wish to suffer under that delusion, I cannot stop you. But if that is you attitude, then I must assume that you are merely answer my request by confirming that you have no answer to mine.