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Originally Posted by sassyT
I don't think a bubble was burst here. He never said that it was the fastest growing, but thank you so much for showing us our piece of the pie. Just think, one day we will have even more of the pie. Yes, we are at a disadvantage in regards to us not grabbing our children out of the cradle and bringing them to our group meetings and what not. But, somehow are numbers are growing none the less.
I'm certainly not part of anything because it's popular. I do my own thinking.
[QUOTE]Lol.. one day in a million years. Your rate of growth is not enough to make a significant difference. Christianity it the largest religion in the world and the fastest growing so those figures on the chart are actually understated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Quinn
Hey, if you are happy with 3 people a decade converting to the athiestic faith, then good for you. We have at least 38 people a week give their lives to Christ in our church alone.Quote:
Yes, we are at a disadvantage in regards to us not grabbing our children out of the cradle and bringing them to our group meetings and what not. But, somehow are numbers are growing none the less.
The question has nothing to do with death. Suppose God knows He will have lunch at McDonald's on Thursday. Does this mean He is powerless to change His mind and have lunch somewhere else?Quote:
Originally Posted by sassyT
The properties of omniscience and omnipotence cannot simultaneously exist, just as surely as a square circle cannot exist.
[QUOTE=sassyT]We're not recruiting. Also we don't brainwash children.Quote:
Hey, if you are happy with 3 people a decade converting to the athiestic faith, then good for you.
[QUOTE=sassyT]There was a brief time when I thought your propensity to deny the obvious was cute and even charming. But it gets old quick Sassy.Quote:
I am starting to wonder whether you even have a fifth grade education with an ignorant statement like this... lol
I don't know where you get your stats from but people who attend christian schools are better of than those who don't. Catholic schools are known to be some of the best schools world wide.
How many colleges and universities were founded by Christians to encourage higher education? Harvard? Yale? Yes and yes. So please don't continue to embarasse yourself with such ignorants.;)
It is a FACT that post-graduates are significantly less likely to believe in things like the supernatural and that includes gods. Look up a Harris poll if you don't believe us (although I'm sure you'll find a way to deny that as well).
Now I'm not willing to suggest this means believers are all dumb. I readily admit there are some very intelligent Christians and believers of other faiths. It could be more a measure of affluence, since those with advanced education tend to come from more affluent families than those who do not. Regardless, the further advanced one's education is, the LESS likely he/she is to be religious. And that's just a FACT (just like evolution is a fact), no matter how strongly you continue to deny it.
[QUOTE=templelane]Atheist do brain wash their children. I teach middle school kids at my church and it is amazing how many kids with athiests parents tell me their parents would rather see them go partying with drugs and alcohol than going to church.Quote:
Originally Posted by sassyT
One kid told me that her atheist mum told her that the reason why mom and dad are getting a divorce is because she is always talking about Jesus. Pathetic :eek:
This post makes you officially lose all credibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by sassyT
[QUOTE=lobrobster]What do you expect when education has become the pulpit of athiestic humanism.Quote:
Originally Posted by sassyT
[QUOTE=sassyT]This kind of unsubstantiated hearsay shouldn't be allowed on the forum. It's a pathetic attempt to slander a minority group. Not to mention that it's also a transparently boldfaced LIE! Parents telling their kids they prefer them to use drugs and alcohol. PLEASE!Quote:
Originally Posted by templelane
Sorry it's taken me a bit to get back to you! My morals come from society. From a good upbringing. From (what I think is) an inherant right vs wrong. I don't need a book to tell me not to kill my neighbor; I can figure out on my own that killing my neighbor is bad for society. I also get my morals from myself and how I will feel looking at myself in the mirror the next day. More than three words - sorry! :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Yes, my answer assumes we "just are"; you asked what an atheist thinks their purpose in life it - I told you. I wasn't knocking you for thinking we are "meant to be", I was just pointing out the flaw in your question, the assumption that an atheist thinks there is a purpose to this life. I used the hope you go to heaven as an example, certainly you don't think I'm such an a-hole that I think all you do is sit around all day and think, "Golly! I hope I get into heaven!"?Quote:
Originally Posted by lesleeandjoel
As far as miracles, sorry, but I don't believe in them. Things happen. Sometimes things happen in ways we don't expect. It's called probability, there are equations you can use to figure it out. To me, an unlikely occurrence doesn't indicate "god did it". And what about cancer and car accidents? Again, things happen. For some people, that's how life plays out. My dad received a tainted blood transfusion in the 70's and contracted Hepatitis C - he died a few years ago at 55. Was that "god"? Or was that the result of a bad transfusion, something that just happened. I go with the latter.
If you can't accept that this life is all there is, that's fine. I can respect and accept that, as long as you accept and respect that I can't accept that there is a god. And no, I won't call you crazy, that would be rude. I know you believe, really, really believe that "god" has saved you or helped you, or whatever. I believe you managed to do those things on your own, you just aren't giving yourself credit for it. We don't have to agree to get along.
templane, I think you are thinking of the Stephen Roberts quote;
“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”
Wait... what? Did you read what you just wrote? Why should god prevent your death if it's your time to go... and then... but in some cases... Huh? What kind of reasoning is that??Quote:
Originally Posted by SassyT
And why do you make theism/atheism out to sound like a contest? "one day in a million years!" and "We have at least 38 people a week converting"... it's not a flippin contest, biggest numbers don't "win". Why can't you just live and let live?
PS: There is no "atheistic doctrine", it's not a religion.
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Originally Posted by lobrobster
Yes, things are finally starting to turn around. You make it sound like a bad thing? :D
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Sorry but God does not rely on your human logic for His existence.
Agreed. I think I've found the next candidate for a coveted spot on my "ignore" list!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
[QUOTE=Greg Quinn]No it is not a bad thing, I suppose athiests also need their own way of evangelism. The evolution classroom is the Church and the professor the preacher.Quote:
Originally Posted by sassyT
I am just relaying what some of the middle school kids at my church have said about the challenge of being a believer with parents who are atheist. I did not say all athiests parents do this but I was responding to temple's statement that athiests do not brain wash their kids. I suppose she was trying to imply that Christians brain wash their kids. Well athiests do also teach their kids to dismiss God. I know, because I deal with kids who go through this everyday.Quote:
Originally Posted by lobrobster
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Originally Posted by sassyT
God relies on faith, without faith it would be impossible to believe in a god. Faith is believing in something as fact when there is no logical evidence or reason to do so.
When ever I see these debates, I see simple samples of defence in regards to gods existence, arguments that could be used to defend the leprechaun on my shoulder. If I used my wit and defended his existence you would argue it to the fullest and consider me to be a loon.
Hey so I totally don't have to time to go through and read all these posts... but I would like to put my two cents in here..
I KNOW there is a God without a doubt, I feel Him in everything that's good in this world.. Jesus Christ is in my heart and I feel his tremendous love for me and for you... He loves us so much he died for us.. he's knows us better than anyone in the world knows us, and he adores us no matter what we do.
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Lol.. one day in a million years. Your rate of growth is not enough to make a significant difference. Christianity it the largest religion in the world and the fastest growing so those figures on the chart are actually understated.
Sorry it took so long to get back... I had to take a nap, I was exhausted from eating so much PIE!! LOL :D
jillianleab Please review the dictionary definition of atheismQuote:
PS: There is no "atheistic doctrine", it's not a religion
a·the·ism (ā'thē-ĭz'əm)
n.
Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
The doctrine that there is no God or gods.
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