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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

That's horrible!! Jesus talked with a dead-in-the-flesh saint!!!! What an example to all Christians!

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Where do you see a problem with Jesus in His glorified state as God talking to dead in the flesh saints? Are you suggesting that God cannot do so?

Why do you avoid my questions?

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Yes, they did, they spoke to Jesus while He was transfigured into His glorified state as God.



Whether they are aware of us or not is not the question (though this verse does not state that they are aware), but rather whether we are to be communicating with those who are dead in the flesh.

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Is it your view of the Transfiguration that Jesus stopped being human while in his transfigured state? Did he jettison his human nature for a time on Mt. Tabor?

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Originally Posted by Akoue

Is it your view of the Transfiguration that Jesus stopped being human while in his transfigured state? Did he jettison his human nature for a time on Mt. Tabor?

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Where did I say that? I said that He was transfigured into His glorified state as God.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Where did I say that? I said that He was transfigured into His glorified state as God.

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So He was also the human Jesus talking with a dead-in-the-flesh saint.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Where did I say that? I said that He was transfigured into His glorified state as God.

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I didn't say that you did. I was asking.

If Jesus was a human being while speaking to the dead on Mt. Tabor, then, glorified state notwithstanding, he was a living human being speaking to the dead. So then it must be okay for us (living human beings) to speak to the dead. In doing so, we are imitating Christ.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

So He was also the human Jesus talking with a dead-in-the-flesh saint.

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Tell you what, I will agree that all who are both man and God can legitimately speak with the dead when they transfigure into their glorified state as God.

Now, how many people would that include?

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Originally Posted by Akoue

I didn't say that you did. I was asking.

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Good. Because I never did.

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If Jesus was a human being while speaking to the dead on Mt. Tabor, then, glorified state notwithstanding,.

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So you think that His glorified state is of no significance? You think that when Jesus humbled Himself to give up His glory as God, that meant nothing?

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Tell you what, I will agree that all who are both man and God can legitimately speak with the dead when they transfigure into their glorified state as God.

Now, how many people would that include?

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So we are not to imitate Christ in all things? Are we to pick those respects in which we follow Christ's example? If speaking to the dead was good enough for Christ, it ought to be good enough for us.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

So you think that His glorified state is of no significance? You think that when Jesus humbled Himself to give up His glory as God, that meant nothing?

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Aren't the saints in heaven experiencing glory now?

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Originally Posted by Akoue

So we are not to imitate Christ in all things?

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You meant like claiming to be God? Claiming to have the name above all names? Claiming to be the "I AM"?

No, there are some things where we must submit ourselves to Jesus as God, and not claim to be God. It is Jesus alone who can claim equality with God because He is God.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Aren't the saints in heaven experiencing glory now?

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As God?

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Originally Posted by Tj3

Good. Because I never did.



So you think that His glorified state is of no significance? You think that when Jesus humbled Himself to give up His glory as God, that meant nothing?

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I think that if talking to dead-in-the-flesh saints (to borrow Wondergirl's expression) was good enough for Christ (glorified or otherwise) then it ought to be good enough for us. I think that Christ led an exemplary life, and so we are to take him as our example in all things and imitate him in our lives. Christ talked to dead-in-the-flesh saints. Why don't you?

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Originally Posted by Tj3

You meant like claiming to be God? Claiming to have the name above all names? Claiming to be the "I AM"?

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How cleverly you misunderstand.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

As God?

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Did I say that?

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

How cleverly you misunderstand.

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I understood perfectly. It is clear that there is differences between us and Jesus, and ignoring those differences will lead us into error not truth.

I note that you are still avoiding my questions. Perhaps they were two uncomfortable for you. I understand.

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Originally Posted by Akoue

I think that if talking to dead-in-the-flesh saints (to borrow Wondergirl's expression) was good enough for Christ (glorified or otherwise) then it ought to be good enough for us. I think that Christ led an exemplary life, and so we are to take him as our example in all things and imitate him in our lives. Christ talked to dead-in-the-flesh saints. Why don't you?

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I note that you completely avoided my question. I understand why.

sndbay,
Yes, (That in all things being spoken we are edifying faith in Christ. )
Fred

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Originally Posted by Tj3

I understood perfectly. It is clear that there is differences between us and Jesus, and ignoring those differences will lead us into error not truth.

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The imitation of Christ misunderstanding.

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I note that you are still avoiding my questions. Perhaps they were two uncomfortable for you. I understand.

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You're darn good at it too. I also understand.

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Originally Posted by Tj3

You meant like claiming to be God? Claiming to have the name above all names? Claiming to be the "I AM"?

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No. That would be blasphemy. Christ didn't blaspheme and so neither should we.

Are you taking the position that you would rather adhere to the letter of the Law (as you understand it) than do as your Savior has done?

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Originally Posted by Akoue

No. That would be blasphemy. Christ didn't blaspheme and so neither should we.

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So there are things that Jesus did that we are not to do, nor able to do.

We agree.