Originally Posted by shw3nn
I cannot disprove God.
I cannot disprove Allah.
I cannot disprove Odin.
I cannot disprove Krishna.
I cannot disprove Zeus.
I cannot disprove Baal.
I cannot disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

True so why say they don't exist when you don't know and can't prove it?

Exactly

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Originally Posted by lobrobster

So you don't disbelieve or deny the existence of Vishnu? What about Wotan and Thor? I didn't realize you were THAT much of a theist Sassy! -lol

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As I told Michaelb... the word atheist is actually from the greek word Atheos which means GODLESS. So to say just because I don't believe in some gods, make me "godless" is a missrepresentation of reality because I do believe in God.
Also I don't deny the existence of Zeus, Thor Wotan (or whoever), all I can say about them is I don't know whether they exists or not, so if anything I am agnostic in that respect. ;)

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Originally Posted by lobrobster

It's also a F-A-C-T that a similar percentage strongly supports the Theory of Evolution as the best explanation for the diversity of life we see today (although they would also admit to not knowing how life was first sparked into existence).

So what on earth makes you think that you, SassyT, knows more than 98% of all scientists? Don't you think you're being just a tad bit arrogant and full of yourself? It's like me claiming I could've hit more homers tonight than Hamilton's 29 in the derby. Please....

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Lol... ***Sigh*** you really amaze me. I don't know why this simple concept is so hard for you to grasp. The majority of Scientists BELIEVE the earth is 4.3 billion years because they BELIEVE the assuptions they use as a basis for their investigation, are accurate. Are the assumptions used in the methods of dating the earth accurate?? NOBODY KNOWS and there is NO WAY of VERIFYING the VALIDITY OR ACCURACY of these ASSUMPTIONS.
Let me remind everyone what an assuption is

As·sump·tion (ə-sŭmp'shən)
n.
The act of taking to or upon oneself: assumption of an obligation.
The act of taking possession or asserting a claim: assumption of command.
The act of taking for granted: assumption of a false theory.
Something taken for granted or accepted as true without proof; a supposition:
Presumption; arrogance.
Logic. A minor premise

I am not arrogant, all I am saying is the 4.3 billion year date is not a 100% FACT and any honest scientist will tell you this. Many scientisits believe the SIX assuptions used are accurate.. they have no way of knowing.
IF the assuptions are in fact accurate then, yes the earth is 4.3 billion years however like I have said 100 times there is no way to verify the accuracy of these six assuptions. If all of the six assumptions are correct, then the resulting dates are correct. However if even one of these assumptions is wrong, then the resulting dates are erroneous.

So if you believe the earth being is 4.3 billion years old is a FACT that means you have FAITH that the assuptions used are accurate because you don't KNOW that they are accurate.

All right then - prove to us that gravity is a fact.

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Originally Posted by lobrobster

Actually, there is MUCH about the principles of gravity that are not yet understood. In fact, the properties of gravity are more perplexing to scientists than evolution is!

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You may be talking about gravitational theories... all I am talking about is the gravity that is keeping me seated on this chair.:)

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I really don't mean to, and it's becoming obvious you understand more about science than your posts lead one to believe. Still... I don't know how you are comfortable being among the overwhelmingly small minority who question evolution and the age of the earth.

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The reason is, unlike many scientists, I do not share the same faith in the assuptions used as a premise in both evolution and radio dating.

At some point you have to ask yourself why all these other scientists are willing to treat them as fact. No?

In the same way Christians treat the existence of God as fact without conclusive evidence. It is called faith. Many scientists have a strong faith in unproven theories and the unverifiable assuptions used. A faith I personaly don't share.

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Originally Posted by sassyT

As i told Michaelb... the word athiest is actually from the greek word Atheos which means GODLESS. So to say just because i dont believe in some gods, make me "godless" is a missrepresentation of reality because i do believe in God.
Also i dont deny the existance of Zeus, Thor Wotan (or whoever), all i can say about them is i dont know whether they exists or not, so if anything i am agnostic in that respect. ;)

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I think the main point is that you know perfectly well what it's like not to believe in a particular god or faith. Just as you are agnostic about Zeus, Thor, and Wotan, I am agnostic about your god. I just include your god in the same category as you put the rest of the gods.

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Originally Posted by lobrobster

I think the main point is that you know perfectly well what it's like not to believe in a particular god or faith. Just as you are agnostic about Zeus, Thor, and Wotan, I am agnostic about your god. I just include your god in the same category as you put the rest of the gods.

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Yes, which makes you an atheist/agnostic. So how am I an atheist when I believe in God? :confused:

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Originally Posted by sassyT

Yes, which makes you an atheist/agnostic. So how am i an athiest when i believe in God?? :confused:

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You're quibbling over semantics here. Atheism simply means lack of belief. Even in the definition you pulled, it states 'god OR gods'. You are an atheist with respect to Vishnu and so am I. You are an atheist about many of the gods you could believe in and so am I. I just go one god further than you do. Let's not quibble over the number of gods we each don't believe in.

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Originally Posted by lobrobster

You're quibbling over semantics here. Atheism simply means lack of belief. Even in the definition you pulled, it states 'god OR gods'. You are an atheist with respect to Vishnu and so am I. You are an atheist about many of the gods you could believe in and so am I. I just go one god further than you do. Let's not quibble over the number of gods we each don't believe in.

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aTHEIST does not mean lack of belief. It means "with out God/gods". Theist means "with god". I am not an athiest I am a theist because I believe in God. Atheist like I said in the original greek means godless. You are godless, I am not. You are an atheist, I am not.
I do not deny the existence of Zeus, Thor, Krishna etc.. I say I don't know whether they exist or not therefore, I am, if anything, agnostic in regards to other gods besides my own.

Cool, I'm a theist as I believe in our holy FSM (god bless his noodly appendage).

RAmen.

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Originally Posted by sassyT

why dont you give credit to Stephen Roberts for this quote?

a·the·ist (ā'thē-ĭst)
n.
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

according to the definition of athiest, i am not an athiests so I think Stephen roberts made a foolish statement. :rolleyes:

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Even your own definition says disbelieves OR denies the existence of God or gods.

You disbelieve the existence of gods there for you are an atheist.

I'm course assuming that the definition is your own work since you didn't site any sources for that.

You should watch the videos I posted earlier they explain why christianity is little more than a sun worshipping cult. He even points out the obvious things like your day of worship is SUNday not Jesusday or Godday. Haven't you ever wondered why?

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Originally Posted by michealb

Even your own definition says disbelieves OR denies the existence of God or gods.

You disbelieve the existence of gods there for you are an atheist.

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If you BELIEVE I am an athiestist then I will not argue with you because the reality is I am a theist so we will just leave it at that. :)

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You should watch the videos I posted earlier they explain why christianity is little more than a sun worshipping cult. He even points out the obvious things like your day of worship is SUNday not Jesusday or Godday. Haven't you ever wondered why?

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I am not able to veiw YouTube at work but even if I could I doubt I would even waste my time on such conspiracy theories.

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Originally Posted by sassyT

aTHEIST does not mean lack of belief. It means "with out God/gods". Theist means "with god". I am not an athiest I am a theist because I believe in God. Atheist like I said in the original greek means godless. You are godless, I am not. You are an atheist, I am not.
I do not deny the existence of Zeus, Thor, Krishna etc.. I say I don't know whether they exist or not therefore, I am, if anything, agnostic in regards to other gods besides my own.

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You quoted:

a·the·ist (ā'thē-ĭst)
n.
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

This does NOT say godless or without god. It says, 'disbelieves or denies the existence of'.

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I do not deny the existence of Zeus, Thor, Krishna etc.. I say I don't know whether they exist

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Well, this is exactly what I say about your god. I do not deny his existence. I simply have no compelling reason to think that he exists. In the Same way I presume, that you view Zeus, Thor, and Krishna.

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Originally Posted by michealb

He even points out the obvious things like your day of worship is SUNday not Jesusday or Godday. Haven't you ever wondered why?

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The word Sunday and why Christians worship on that day has nothing to do with the sun. If you really want to know why, ask me. It's too long to explain here and is mostly off topic.

The days of the week in English are named for:
SUNday, MOONday, WODEN'sday(Wednesday), THORSday, that's all I can remember off the top of my head. :) Two thousand years ago in the Middle East, I imagine there were different names for each day. ;)

Atheists are: *without* belief in god, gods.
That's all by definition. Of course, individual atheists may have other thoughts about god, gods.

I haven't read all the posts yet, but your original question is an impossibility. The is not nor can there ever be objective evidence of any god.

And even if such a being presented itself to a large group, it would be denied. It would be called a hoax, a delusion, or ET. :rolleyes: ;)

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Originally Posted by lobrobster

You quoted:

a·the·ist (ā'thē-ĭst)
n.
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

This does NOT say godless or without god. It says, 'disbelieves or denies the existence of'.

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Like I said you obviously don't know what an atheist is if you are going to call me one.. lol
But if that is what you want to believe I will not argue with you anymore because the reality is I am a theist.

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Well, this is exactly what I say about your god. I do not deny his existence. I simply have no compelling reason to think that he exists. In the Same way I presume, that you view Zeus, Thor, and Krishna.

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So you are an agnostic. You just don't know whether God exists or not.

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Originally Posted by WVHiflyer

And even if such a being presented itself to a large group, it would be denied. It would be called a hoax, a delusion, or ET. :rolleyes: ;)

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This is your subjective BELIEF not fact.

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