I've been wondering this too, I haven't seen their name around here for a few weeks or so...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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I've been wondering this too, I haven't seen their name around here for a few weeks or so...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
It's H. Camping, as in Harold Camping. Not that we really care, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
I was actually going for the "M." as in "Mister", is that "Mr." instead? Being half french I get those mixed up sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
I am going to a Beerfest on Judgement day!!
OMG! You are so going to h-e-doublehockeysticks!Quote:
Originally Posted by spitvenom
Isn't it 17-18 days not 9?
You're right, it's the 21st not the 12th - and I don't even have byslexia!
I just wanted to make sure. That extra 9 days gives me that many more beers to drink before I go meet satan.
Yeah we should all have one giant woodstock :)
No, guys. The 21st is the day of the Rapture. If you're still on earth on the 22nd, figure you missed out and are stuck here for some bad times ahead.
Judgment Day isn't until October 21st.
Damnit! The waiting is the hardest part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
We here at AskMeHelpDesk will keep you entertained and current on Rapture and Judgment Day happenings.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Well won't we all feel foolish if people actually disappear on the 21st (leaving behind their nicely folded clothes), and we're left here to heathen-ize ourselves to death?
We will be beset by earthquakes and tornadoes and floods and murders and economic problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by southamerica
Oooops, those are all happening already.
[sarcasm]Whoa whoa whoa, wait. We've been having earthquakes, and tornadoes, and floods? And murder and economic problems?
When did all of this start?[/sarcasm]
I'm seriously interested in finding out what the difference between *natural* disasters and acts of an angry God is to certain religious folks. (*certain* religious folks)
Well you will now !Quote:
Originally Posted by southamerica
I read an article a while ago about the modern day Mayans on their opinion of their ancestors prophecies and they said that the dates were more to do with agriculture then anything else, not natural disasters. Mayans lived by their planting season because so many people had to be fed. Same as the Aztecs. Everyone had to eat and they where good at providing food for literally thousands of people.
Just my input, who knows. Mayans happen to be a pet project of mine since visiting Chichen Itza many years ago. It sort of 'grew' (play on words) from there.
Oh Happy Day!
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Well looks like others are trying to profit from all this doom saying and they are NOT American for a change ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NeedKarma
BBC News - Taiwan doomsday prophet's blog sparks panic
Traditionally, man has tried to appease the angry gods of storms and other weather occurrences by sacrificing everything from food to babies.Quote:
Originally Posted by southamerica
I think most Christians believe God created Mother Nature and passively allows her to function as she wills. Of course, if man messes with her, building homes and cities in flood plains and in Tornado Alley, situating nuclear reactors on faults, burning jungles and rain forests, deforesting mountains, etc. isn't it really his own fault if there are catastrophes?
(no disrespect to anyone)
Hurricane Katrina was God's test run...
God caused that to happen, caused all those deaths and all that destruction?Quote:
Originally Posted by ITstudent2006
WG- I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic? I was kidding.
I do admit it shouldn't be something we joke... but it was to prove somewhat of a point.
Not sure what your point was. I personally was horrified at the notion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ITstudent2006
It's a good thing to think about, I would say.
To say that God actually did it when it hits so close to home (i.e. when it's already happened and effected so many), it paints those assertions in a very serious light.
My point was the ease of speculation and the facts behind these specualtions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Someone had asked about the natural disasters as of late and if they were in fact natural or God created. We could speculate all day but no one knows... that was my point!
Wondergirl,
Do you think that just maybe mans misuse of money and missuse of earths natural forces could have caused such catastropies? People were waned to get theit levy's fixed and strengthened before Katrina. Ten years before! The government officials ignored those warnings also.
If you see a disaster and are warned to prepare for it, and that warning is ignored, that is not God's fault but it is selfish men who rather pocket the money the dos what is right for all persons. God is a loving God 'not one that DISTROYS the good with the wicked. You call the earth sources "mother nature", I call it God's creations. If man abuses those God given sources, That is not God's fault, but wicked people who abuse those souces for personal gan are at blame. God does not need to test us, he knows what each of us are in our hearts.
Peace, Hope12
Right on! You go, girl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Hope12's Comment:
Do you think that just maybe mans misuse of earths natural forces could have caused such catastropies?
That is EXACTLY what I said! God's not testing us. Nature has been insulted and is getting back at us.
More precisely, all our actions have consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
"nature is beng insulted"? Do you think the Earth is alive and cares a damn? Will the trees fight back when you cut them down? This is not some place of fantasy but fact. God gave us the Earth to rule over and subdue, we are doing that, however imperfectly, this places us within God's will.
Please stop this peusdo religious nonsense
That's a figure of speech. If man cuts down the Amazon jungles, bad things will result.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
No, but the bare earth will.Quote:
do you think the Earth is alive and cares a damn? Will the trees fight back when you cut them down?
He also gave man a brain to rule the earth and subdue it with intelligence.Quote:
God gave us the Earth to rule over and subdue, we are doing that, however imperfectly, this places us within God's will.
The issue isn't whether man causes impacts he has been doing that for eons, whether digging in the Earth, moving rivers, or burning but whether what is happening is God's vengeance. Man will suffer the consequences of his actions but to wrap this up in some religious jargon and attribute spiritual significance to it is pure nonsense. The intelligence of man has outstripped his abilities to think of the consequences first because greed has taken over, what we see are the consequences of an avaricious nature and greed typified by a society that consumes more and more for the sake of it. Man needs to get back to the simplicity God provided, we truly live in the age of paradise lostQuote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Ever hear of personification or anthropomorphization? Lighten up, friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Religious jargon?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Indeed.
Did you read what you wrote?
Of course I read what I wrote and most of my response is directed at Hope12 who insists on quoting the outpourings of watchtower but suggesting nature is animate is a form of religionQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
OKQuote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
I haven't read all the posts but would like to comment on natural disasters.
Since the fall of man back in the garden of Eden the earth has experienced natural disasters. In fact, it is all part of the curse.
In Mathew 24, the Lord explained that things would only get worse. As a Christian, I believe him. BUT there IS a day coming when the Lord Jesus will set things right. During his 1000 year reign, there will be no natural disasters. The earth will be like the Lord originally wanted it to be. The Lion shall lie down with the lamb. But until then, expect it to get worse.
It doesn't matter if mankind had taken great care of this earth and everyone had gone "green" 6000 years ago. It is what it is and there is no stopping it.
To the OP:
There is always going to be some person exclaiming the end of the world. The Bible was written so that we can understand certain events and timelines. I believe there is a spiritual clock and it IS ticking. But GOD says no one knows the day or the hour. Therefore, Mr. Camp and HB do NOT have a clue of an exact date of anything. Sadly they have no answers either. They can give you NO assurance of salvation or an exact way to the Father. I find it ironic they have mathematically pinpointed a date of doom... but can't understand a simple Gospel. The Bible says WHOsoever shall calll upon the name of the Lord will be saved. But not according to them. Well... The Bible says let God be true and every man a liar.
We should all stop listening to men who put a date on something that God said no one knew. It is NOT biblical.
Definitely Wondergirl! Agree man is destroying the earth and life on it, not God. Those destroying the earth are the first ones to blame God. God would never kill innocent men, women, and children that he loves enough to allow his son to die for us so we can live. Only wicked man can do such a thing.
Peace,
Hope12
Sure he does:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hope12
Dwindling In Unbelief: How many has God killed? (Complete list and estimated total)
Boy, I'd love to get into technicalities, here.
I mean, it's considered negligent homocide if you LET someone die when you could save them--especially if you have a responsibility to try to save them, as in a parent over a child, or a child care provider.
So... since god is the "Father", doesn't have have a responsibility to save the lives of his children? If he DOES, wouldn't he be guilty of at least negligent homocide for letting innocent people die when he has the power of miracles to save them?
Doesn't that mean that God DOES let innocent people die?
Hello NeedKarma,
Thanks for the reading material you suggested.
However, when one has true faith and confidence in the God of the Universe, they do not need to read mans estimates of what they think. Those who estimate such things are just imperfect men. I know that the creator of such wonderful things as the human body, would never destroy it in such an evil ways.Quote:
Sure he does:
Dwindling In Unbelief: How many has God killed? (Complete list and estimated total)
Peace,
Hope12
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