Smoked,

Excellent post and I completely agree.

I love this:
In science, theories are abandoned when they conflict with reality

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NK, thanks for lightening the mood, I think we all needed that.

Tsila, it is clear that both of us misunderstood each other, for that I apologize. It's sometimes very hard to type what you want to say and have it be understood, the tone of voice, facial expressions, they are a large part of communication, and not available here.

I agree it is hard to type what you want to say even with the smilies.:)..I accept and appreciate this post. If we can all remember this, it would no doubt help us not to read more into other people's posts.


I respect everyone's right to believe what they want to believe, even if it's not believing in God. I am trying to voice my beliefs, which of course are not the same as a Christians beliefs, please try to respect that, I've had 37 years of life that lead to my beliefs, they will not be changed, this I know.

It may not seem so, but I was not trying to change your beliefs, but voice my own. Since ours are not the same, it may have seemed I was trying to 'convert' you. How does on voice their own beliefs without others thinking they are being preached to on here?:confused:

The religious discussion board is a place to discuss all aspects of religion, even not believing in religion, so let's all try to express our differences respectfully. I'm sorry I got mad, I really am working on not allowing my anger to take over. NoHelp, you know me, I'm a loud mouth German, and that part of me often escapes, haven't gotten a handle on her yet.

Oh You're German, that explains everything!!!!!!!!!:p My friend Judy is German; she came here without knowing a word of English. She was asking the people she was staying with for some food; they could not understand her. They had to call her mother in Germany to figure out the child was hungry. Now she can barely communicate in the German language. But she doesn't have any trouble with the English!!


Now, to keep things light, a little bit of my childhood, and yes, my parents always meant this as a joke;

My mom and dad always said that there were more then 10 commandments, there where actually 11 but the last one was dismissed. So, what is the 11th commandment? Never get caught. ;)

Remember, it's a joke. :)

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Now a bit about me, I believe the Bible is the final authority, the true Word of God, to me it is a fact. I am very adamant about what I believe and when I state my beliefs, I'm sure it comes off as harsh even preachy. But I believe Jesus died for my sins and was raised for my justification. I am like the tree planted by the water, I shall not be moved.

Others can believe as they please, that will not effect my salvation. I did not come on this board to argue or cause trouble. I came to have some company. I'm homebound. I seldom get to talk to anyone. Even my husband is a quiet man. I was very excited to see this board, but it is not quite what I expected. BTW The Christian board isn't much better either. :(

So, all is well.
Peace and ease...

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Originally Posted by tsila1777

I love this:
In science, theories are abandoned when they conflict with reality

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Actually that's completely false but that's another thread.

Can I offer a suggestion? Instead of saying christian and non-believers why not say christians and non-christians. Most people believe in that something, just not the same thing that you do.

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Actually that's completely false but that's another thread.

Can I offer a suggestion? Instead of saying christian and non-believers why not say christians and non-christians. Most people believe in that something, just not the same thing that you do.

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When I say non-believers, I mean non-Christians. I know everyone believes something, I assumed it was clear since I said Christians and non-believers, that people would know I mean non-believers in the Christian faith. I am sorry if it is offensive, but I do not mean it that way. Is that OK?

Would you mind using a capital C in Christian?

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Would you mind using a capital C in Christian?

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Do you use a capital A for Atheist or Agnostic?

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I am very adamant about what I believe and when I state my beliefs,

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Everyone is adamant about what they believe.

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I am like the tree planted by the water, I shall not be moved.

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I feel the same way. :)

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Would you mind using a capital C in Christian?

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Good point NK ! I saw that too. Personally I do my best to use a capital "C" for words like Christ, Christian, and Christianity, but most (fundamental) Christians fail to show that same sign of respect for other views, and do not write Atheist and Agnostic with a capital "A". It's good to point that out, specially to the cheeky ones who "request"/demand their own belief to be written with a capital C, but fail themselves to use capitals when referring to other world views.
As I always have stated on this board : your actions are more important than your words !
Specially true in a case like this with one single missing capital saying more than the entire following text...

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Can I request that you refer to me as a Deist, with a capital D, okay just a little joke to lighten things up. Although the definition of Deist is the closest to what I believe. :)

I actually prefer to be called Alty, I don't really like labels. :)

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Can I request that you refer to me as a Deist, with a capital D, okay just a little joke to lighten things up. Although the definition of Deist is the closest to what I believe. :) I actually prefer to be called Alty, I don't really like labels. :)

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Ok for/with me : Deist it is, Alty!!

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Do you use a capital A for Atheist or Agnostic?

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You made a suggestion, and I did explain and say I was sorry, then I asked a favor of you and you get upset and defensive.


Don't bother if you don't want to, I thought we were playing nice today

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Everyone is adamant about what they believe.



I feel the same way. :)

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Then we are two of a kind how nice for us I bet we could be excellent friends

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You made a suggestion, and I did explain and say I was sorry, then I asked a favor of you and you get upset and defensive.


don't bother if you don't want to, i thought we were playing nice today

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How is asking for the same thing being upset and defensive? I'm a nice guy and I play nice every day.

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I love this : In science, theories are abandoned when they conflict with reality

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Actually that's completely false but that's another thread.
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True, but both statements shows the mindset of the poster. One of deliberate misrepresentation, the other of polite pointing that out.

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... then I asked a favor of you and you get upset and defensive.
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One more deliberate misrepresentation : you did not get upset at all. You asked a fair question that I note has not been replied to.
Again this shows the mindset of the poster. Yours by a polite question-in-return, the other one more deliberate misrepresentation.
As I always like to point out : ones actions are more important and say more than ones words !

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"I believe Christ died for the ungodly"

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Although I respect that statement of belief I ask myself why Jesus in that case preached in Judea, and not in locations where the "ungodly" were in the far majority.
And how is "ungodly" defined? As nonbelievers-Atheists? There were not many in Judea of the era. Most people believed in god/gods. As non-Christians? There were no Christians at that time. As non-Jews? But they were for sure not "ungodly".
How is "ungodly" defined?

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How is asking for the same thing being upset and defensive? I'm a nice guy and I play nice every day.

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Do you use a capital A for Atheist or Agnostic?


That didn't sound as if you were asking me to use a capital A. Actually, I seldom, if ever, use the words Atheist or Agnostic and when I did a word search they are not normally started with a capital A unless at the beginning of a sentence.


But if that was a request, I will try to remember to use a capital A if I ever use those words again.

I am sorry if I misunderstood your request.

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"I believe Christ died for the ungodly"

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Although I respect that statement of belief I ask myself why Jesus in that case preached in Judea, and not in locations where the "ungodly" were in the far majority.
And how is "ungodly" defined? As nonbelievers-Atheists? There were not many in Judea of the era. Most people believed in god/gods. As non-Christians? There were no Christians at that time. As non-Jews? But they were for sure not "ungodly".
How is "ungodly" defined?

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As much as I would like to discuss this topic, I have been so restricted by those who do not believe the Christian faith, or non-Christians, to the point that it is now impossible for me to continue.

According to the rules, which I assume, only apply to Christians:
I must start every sentence with 'I believe', I must conform my Christian vernacular so as not to offend anyone. In spite of the fact that this board called 'Religious discussion', I was told it was started for Atheist; and then directed to the Christian board. It was also suggested that I should not use Scripture in my post. Neither should I suggest that one, who continually asks for proof of my belief, should in turn offer proof of his belief or non-belief/dis-belief, no-belief or whatever the correct word is that goes here. Sorry, if that offends anyone…I have not quite learned all the rules and terminology here. I have also been told that a question that starts with “Do you”… was actually a suggestion/request. I am sure there are many I have forgotten, but no matter…………

It does seem odd though; since the topic of this board is a Scriptural reference that so many who do not believe in Scripture have come to discuss 'Scripture'? Yet will not allow Scripture to be discussed, does that seem odd to anyone else? As far as I am concerned, this board should be closed.

Wado

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According to the rules, which I assume, only apply to Christians : I must start every sentence with 'I believe'

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Incorrect Tsila. You can state whatever you want as you like. I only (strongly) suggest that you start every religious claim with "I believe", as for instance in : "I believe that God wants me to ...." , or "I believe that God is the Creator".
Of course you do not have to do that, but not doing so will result in everyone being free to question such statement.
And my suggestion stands for everyone here. Not only for Christians. Why are you so exaggerating?
On the Religious Discussion Board everyone is free to discuss matters relating to religion. There is no special condition for religious people's claims to have any more validity than for anyone else. Claims are claims, and require OSE if you want others to accpet them as correct. It is as simple as that.

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It was also suggested that I should not use Scripture in my post. Neither should I suggest that one, who continually asks for proof of my belief, should in turn offer proof of his belief or non-belief/dis-belief, no-belief or whatever the correct word is that goes here.

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That would indeed be better, as this is not a sub-Christianity board. Scripture - with all respect for your personal views - is here no automatic valid answer to all questions.

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It does seem odd though; since the topic of this board is a Scriptural reference that so many who do not believe in Scripture have come to discuss 'Scripture'? Yet will not allow Scripture to be discussed, does that seem odd to anyone else? As far as I am concerned, this board should be closed.

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Incorrect suggestion. Scripture on this board has no automatic validity. It is open to discussion and rejection. A totally different approach than on the Christianity Board. I do not question Scripture on the Christianity Board, as it is the basis for the Christian religion. But here the situation is different.

Discuss here whatever you like, however you like. Just have respect - and show that respect - for other peoples views, just as all others show respect for your views. As you know : one good turn deserves another !
And realize that Christianity is here just one of many possible (world) views. And that has been the essence of my comments here against many of your posts from the start. It would make discussions so much more pleasant to all if you did. And I know that the same rules apply to everyone, including me (of course).

So : can you live with that? It would be a pity if you would leave this board.

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So if they want to question such statements that is fine but to have it pointed out every time you don't THAT is a different story.
I would rather have the questions actually!!

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So if they want to question such statements that is fine but to have it pointed out every time you don't THAT is a different story. I would rather have the questions actually!!!

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Indeed : it is better to have the questioning than a comment black-out against religious claims.

See it this way, please : just make sure that whatever you state is correct, i.e. every religious claim either should be proved with OSE or be preceded by "I believe ..."
Once more : the point here is not if you believe whatever you believe, but if it is valid in general.

ANY (religious) claim is on this board open to questioning. ALWAYS. And by ANYONE. And every religious claim may be questioned - as often as necessary !

(Apologies : immediately after posting I made a correction on an incorrect statement)

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Didn't I just say that I welcome questions but the repeated statement to have I believe before the belief is annoying cause it IS belief and if others don't realize that then they can feel free to question
This is the religious discussion board.

Notice at the top off the page it says Religious Discussions
Of course that is what we believe this IS a religious discussion board where Christians say WHAT they believe. It is not the FACT board, it is not the ''prove it'' board, it is not the science board, it is not the atheist board it IS the religious board
Religion isn't a topic for "argument" - to prove wrong or right, but to openly discuss.
So yes anything we say is our claim.

RELIGION = Believe IN, believe, belief
Get it yet?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: