Has anyone had any success in getting back with a previous partner by using the no contact approach as opposed to keeping in touch?
Which is the best method?
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Has anyone had any success in getting back with a previous partner by using the no contact approach as opposed to keeping in touch?
Which is the best method?
NC shouldn't be used to get back an ex. NC is a way to get said ex out of your system and for you to concentrate on healing yourself and making a better you.
NC can make the ex wonder, however, and if their love and longing for you outweighs the reasons they left in the first place, there is a chance they may come back.
Hi 4answers,
I am familiar with your situation and for others who are not, here is a link to his 2 initial threads.
Thread 1: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/relati...elp-45308.html
Thread 2: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/relati...ife-45954.html
Firstly, I will say that I am not sure if you have taken the time to absorb some of the advice you have previously been given about focusing on the anger issues you have and the time you need to give yourself to improve yourself. I say this because you did not reply to tal's question about what you have been doing to correct this problem.
I realise though that this is not your question. You want to know what the best method is to get an ex back and if no contact has worked for others.
I will firstly answer the latter part of the question: Has no contact with ex worked for me? Well it has worked in some ways in which it should but not for the reason you want to use this rule for, and I am no longer looking at it so much like this anymore. I will explain more.
It is so natural for you to be thinking that no contact will in some way magically make her reappear in your life. Looking at it logically, I think that if anything was going to work, then no contact is in fact the best way to make someone miss you and there is always a possibility, but certainly no guarantee whatsoever.
You can make a foolish mistake though waiting around for someone that probably won't come back into your life.
No Contact is a time for you to work on yourself i.e. go to the gym, work hard, study, whatever.. It should not be viewed as a means of getting her back. No contact is for you to heal 4answers, not as a secret plot to get her back in your life.
You really don't want this girl back so soon now anyway. You have already said this in one of your threads:I don't mean to sound like I am quoting you on everything that you write but people say things for a reason. You already know that there are issues you need to tackle in order to improve and I think your thinking pattern is geared too much towards the idea of winning her back without paying any attention to this. I can't really believe that you have resolved these issues already in such a short space of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4answers
Do you think going back with her now will make any difference to these issues?
I understand you want her back, I still sometimes think like this with my ex, and it's been over 3 months since I broke up with her and I was with her in a serious relationship for 3 years. You need to look at things realistically, perhaps it will take some more time for you to open your eyes to all this.
Certainly.. NO CONTACT just so that you can focus on these other issues you have and also so that you can get busy just focusing on you.
I don't want to sound condescending in any way and please don't take this badly, but have you considered counseling to try and work through your anger issues. There is nothing wrong with this and it would be of huge benefit and a real positive step forward for you.
This is the best advice I can give you and hope that it helps!
If you run your relationships by manipulation, i.e. if I do this, she'll do that, if I give this, I'll get that etc, etc. then sooner or later she will feel well LOL manipulated and at THAT POINT only another manipulator, like yourself, will stay. Simple as that. I know others here sometimes advise along those lines and we agree to disagree. I think that style of relationship disappeared off the social scene in the US about the time that Leave It To Beaver stopping being aired on television here.
My ex and I split up around 5 and a half months ago, next week I will be approaching 3 months of no contact. I honestly wish I had done this at the beginning. It does help you heal. When I was contacting him, I was setting myself up for another fall each time. He would answer my emails, most of them. He never answered my texts. This hurt like mad. I kicked myself for texting him. I deleted his no, otherwise I might still be texting him now.
If you do contact an ex I think it does drive them away. At the time though, it is hard to stop yourself doing it, I know.
For your own good, it is healthier to get a good life for yourself, keep busy, try to stay positive.
Agree with val and would also add that you should not (and should not need to) play mind games with people!
Extremely unhealthy and speaks volumes about the relationship.
That's not a dig at you 4answers, it's just a general statement..
Additionally separation is wholesale different than breaking up since one is implied temporary and the other implied permanent. Game players like to play around with that and the really immature confuse them and use them badly, especially the break up as a means of saying "I have a problem with you I am too immature to discuss with you like an adult".
If I had a pound (or a $) for every time that I hear how many people regret contacting their ex's in the early stages, I would be a millionaire by now.. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by wap
My friends regretted it (with their ex's), people in my family regretted it (with their ex's), and I also regret my contact in the first month with my ex..
A complete waste of my time and actually reinforced her decision to leave! Begging does nothing but makes you look weak. Why should you beg anyway?? No Logic. She wants you out of her life, so give her that!
'The grass is always greener on the other side'
I know your situation is slightly different to mine 4answers, different reasons for the breakup.. I think you know what you must do now from the advice I previously gave you!!
It is hard following the no contact rule and I think we are all entitled to make a couple of mistakes.. After all, it is an extremely dificult time.
Like wa, I stopped contact after a month and have had 2 months without any contact. It has helped me immensely to heal and I am still not healed, I really do have my downtimes, without question although I try not to go on too much about it in here.
I prefer offering advice and helping others because in a way it helps me too. It keeps me into positive thinking mode!! That's where I want to be! :)
This train Journey isn't finish yet and it has been a bumpy ride but there is light at the end of the tunnel it is travelling through... This goes for you too 4answers and for everyone else... It does get better.
But it does take time
I tried the keeping in contact thing for 5 months, well he was the one inititing all the contact , but finally I had to ask what was going on and I told him I would contact him when I was ready,and now I am very happy with no contact and I am becoming stronger by the day. When there is still contact with an ex you accept any little crumb they give you... No contact for about 3 months should get you back to being that strong person you were before and then perhaps you can contact them . But there DEFINITELY needs to be that period apart first...
As nearly everyone on this forum can attest to No contact may be the hardest thing you ever do but the benefits far out way the difficulties, as you have a chance to get healthy and make better decisions not driven by hurt and grief. You also have a chance to examine you and your life and your past mistakes so you can correct them and move to a happier way of doing things. No ONE has come back to say that the no contact didn't work for them, to my knowledge. Heal yourself and see the world through realistic eyes. You will be pleasantly surprised.
She makes one mistake , you make one mistake .
I told you , if you can handle her past and the fact she lies to you , and if you really want to try one more send her flower and tell her that you deeply sorry for your ! Mistake .
If don't work , no contact rule is gold , go further with your life and focus on you and deal with your demons ( anger is one of the worst but sometime we all have anger inside us we must to deal , and sometime we all have reason to be anger , we all are human). But what must to conduct us in life is ration not anger and hate.
Remember that one relation is not a scheme on the table , have thousand of litlle things, thaughts and facts involved and each relation is particular and unic . There are not guarantiees and not absolutely rules , if I do that she make that..
I believe dealing with anger gets better with age as you come to realise the roots of your anger. You learn other ways to express this and how better to deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saintas
If you are young, anger is also magnified by surging hormones that drive it beyond what it actually is.
Anger is a completely normal emotion in certain doses but when it becomes a way of life, it consumes you and stops you from making progress.
Now you have identified your problems with anger 4answers, you are in a better position to find a practical solution to it.
I can also add that in this day where stalking, harassing and the terrible outcome of obsession is far more known, it becomes very difficult for a girl who has clearly requested no contact to experience contact from a man she already experienced anger and disrespect from as anything positive. It goes beyond what won't work. It poses the possibility of a kind of threat she will be rightfully very frightened about in light of what is known.
You want to look like a stalker, contact her.
I Agree Geoffersonairplane . But 4answers had indeed realise the roots of anger ?
Previous posts have told me not . Tell me straight 4answers , can you DEAL with the fact that she lie to you and have sex with a total stranger in threesome?
And one more thing , sometimes communication is the key,not total silence. When YOU make a mistake (communication the others make to you or not) and realise that is your duty to apologize without to expect nothing instead . First of all you make this for you and your soul .
Thank you all for your answers, your help and support. Without it I would have not been able to stop contact at all. Because I was angry and felt that I had been wronged but could not make her see this, it fuelled my need to contact her. Once I realised this and recognised the destructive results of my anger, my perspective changed to guilt. I am taking notice and reading up on anger and its effects so that this will not happen again. Being in a high emotional state of mind is the wrong time to be in contact with a loved one or make decisions.
There is faults on both sides, the girl has to live with the fact that her past destroyed this relationship and I have to live with the consequences of my anger.
I would like the girl to talk to me about why she lied. But because of my reaction she stonewalled me. I can understand this, but my angry response did not help matters and pushed the girl away.
I am proactivly dealing with my anger. I have not contacted her for 9 days, which is hard. I do wish to appologise for the inapropraite things I said and did. Because of the person that I am.
As for being back with her, I would need to get to know her better first.
Here's a good bit about the no contact rule from the opening scene of the movie "Swingers"... for all of you out there hurting like me, I suggest you check out the film.
This scene is two buddies talking about Mike's breakup in a coffee shop. He's six months out of a 6-year relationship at the time of this convo:
Mike: And what if I don't want to give up on her?
Rob: You don't call.
Mike: But you said I shouldn't call if I wanted to give up on her.
Rob: Right.
Mike: So I don't call either way.
Rob: Right.
Mike: So what's the difference?
Rob: The only difference between giving up and not giving up is if you take her back when she wants to come back. See, you can't do anything to make her want to come back. You can only do things to make her not want to come back.
Mike: So the only difference is if I forget about her or pretend to forget about her.
Rob: Right.
Mike: Well that sucks.
Rob: It sucks.
Mike: So it's almost a retroactive decision. So I could, like, let's say, forget about her and when she comes back make like I just pretended to forget about her.
Rob: Right... or more likely the opposite.
Mike: Right... Wait, what do you mean?
Rob: I mean first you'll pretend not to care, not call - whatever, and then, eventually, you really won't care.
Mike: Unless she comes back first.
Rob: Ah, see, that's the thing. Somehow they don't come back until you really don't care anymore.
Mike: There's the rub.
Rob: There's the rub.
And now to answer your question: Yes , this rule works for me few times.But only regarding my healing process except one time when the girl need more time for her, to going slow.. etc till to point when she whont a "pause" . In fact was about another guy . Her reaction was to wonder why I don't call her, talk her and so one.. And after one month she came back telling to me that she was make a huge mistake , she's very sorry(the guy proved to be worst than me)to forgive her, Im his life, etc.
My answer was that all is over between us , I'm not a toy which you drop and take back when you have moods, and I don't believe in putting love in "pause" mode like an VCR, today I love you, tomorrow not and after tomorrow I can't live without you . I value much than that and I deserve one girl which love ME all the time .
Just listen to that one for a moment please. You are asking a liar to honestly explain a lie! To expect any kind of conversation of value about her lie at this point may be pretty unrealistic... maybe if there was a lot of relationship to contextually support that kind of conversation (ie, lots more time, foundation and trust) but not here in this one. She lied and that is what needs to be recognised. Now that she is caught in a lie and ended the relationship, she isn't going to be keen for any confrontation or care to offer any explanation... I mean, like, why, what could possibly be in it for her??Quote:
Originally Posted by 4answers
If she comes back, do that. If you must do it anyway, and I can appreciate that, then send it in a note she is free to respond to or not and you're off the hook, otherwise this is just a ploy.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4answers
She may or may not give you that prerogative, as is her choice at this point being the one who ended it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4answers
Got any more of those up your sleeve LOL? It's done dude. It really is. Its good to hear you are delving into your part in it. Vey good. Very wise. Now take the lesson - leave the rest. That really is how it works. I am sorry for your loss.
Here is the other one 4answers that went lost the other day..
Well I won't say I've had "success" in getting back with a partner by doing the "no contact thing." In my bachelor years, after feeling like I'd been jilted it was always in my nature to do no contact at all whatsoever, even going to the point of turning my head and pretending I didn't see if we should happen to run into each other in public. This wasn't necessarily so much to let myself heal or because I thought it would possibly win them back but because of my wounded pride, coupled with a grudge that I'd hold against her for hurting me. Later in my life, as I began to develop a more healthy outlook, I'd find myself being the one to do the breaking up or adopting a "good riddance" attitude when she'd break up with me. At this point, I found that, although I'd continue the "no contact" thing, but now out of indifference rather than pride, these people had a way of trying to crawl back into my life as they'd call me many weeks or months after I'd last seen or spoken with them. It never resulted in a relationship being rekindled but I found it very interesting that, when I least expected it, there they'd be whether I wanted them in my life or not. So yes, I'm a firm believer that no contact works better than anything else.
I have never had an ex come back to me after no contact. I had an ex come back once I did not want him. He was a cheater and a waste of space and I had met someone else by then.
I did no contact for 3 months with my latest ex. I then emailed him last week, got a cheery reply, but didn't come to anything much. I guess with no contact or with contact, I wouldn't get this guy back. I have gone back to no contact for my own sake. I guess time can only tell with these things. Contacting the person only really results in setting yourself up for another fall.
I would say it might happen to some people, but I haven't been lucky so far.
I've had success in the past with keeping kind of contact in a light way.With my first boyfriend he ended it but secretly I was also fed up so I was kind of relieved about it . So the fact that I said that's OK, and didn't contact until he contacted me ,then I moved country and we sent emails here and there to each other but never mentioned the relationship, and 1 year later he was talking about how he messed up and missed me and wondering if he could get a job here, so I told him there was no jobs here in his area ;-) anyhow he still emails happy birthday every year and now he has 2 kids.
Been in NC for almost 2 months with my ex. Been hard, but I haven't called her nor texted her. I sent one email a week after she left, but she never replied. Oh well. Kind of sad how she flaked on me after she professed how much she was in love with me. I've become a wiser person since, if not a little more grounded in reality when it comes to women.
In the end, it's her loss, and my gain!
YAY FOR ME!! :)
That's the whole point, and I'm glad your getting there. Once we see how we have been so overly dependent on others to make us happy, we can move ahead and be healthier wiser people in our relationships and our lives. No Contact is just away to move from the fantasy world we built, and move to reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlazingCold
YAY FOR YOU:D
I do understand this concept, but I do plan on making contact with someone who means a lot to me. We broke up in November and her birthday is in April. This would be 5 months away from her, but I had no input into the timing. Her birthday gives me a good opportunity to send her a B.D. card and an inexpensive thoughtful gift that I know she will appreciate.Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
... but what do you say in the card? Just a "Hi thinking of you" or something more romantic? How do you leave the door open for her to walk through of her own will. :confused:
If she does not then that is that, but I want to make sure I give this EVERY chance of success.
Move over Chuff LOL (may I have a franchise please?)
Forgive me but I don't think you understand it like some of us do. There is really no telling if she'll appreciate the gift. If I left you and you did this to me, I would be put off a bit by the gift and would see it more like a grappling hook instead of a kind gesture. I don't like being manipulated.Quote:
Originally Posted by everhopeful
The truth is that door is always open (for anyone) and needs nothing from you (or anyone) to make it so.Quote:
Originally Posted by everhopeful
This gets to be like an addiction almost! And after this one doesn't work... will you then tell yourself, "oh well that wasn't IT, let's try another?"Quote:
Originally Posted by everhopeful
I don't mean to pick your thinking apart here dude, but rather hope to offer a sense of the practical as a no-strings attached gift to you.
(thanks Chuff)
No contact is essential for healing and becoming healthy. I have not had any contact for 4 months and I would not be where I am now if I was in contact. Not that there is no pain because there is but time can make the world of difference. It also gives you a chance to reflect on the things that were not good about the relationship too.
And are you using it as a ploy to get her back? Absolutely NOT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoffersonairplane
If you were, you would still be (secretly or ortherwise) holding out for the relationship and there would be:
1. No healling
2. No moving forward
3. No improvement
4. No decrease in pain
5. And a deterioration of yourself esteem as time ticked by, lovely!
Come on people, this isn't rocket science! Don't buy into that bull! :rolleyes:
As previously stated, if this does not work then that is that. I walk away and look elsewhere. If there is no room to maneuver on her side then nothing will work. I may not agree with the decision, but I certainly would respect it...Quote:
Originally Posted by valinors_sorrow
However, if there is then a card and gift may re-kindle things. I would not be doing this if she were just an average girlfriend. She is worth the effort...
I've officially started my no contact thing on feb 8!! Yea go me :)
That's certainly a plan. Please just bear in mind that if you do rekindle, whatever it was that broke it up is still there and it will have to be dealt with while you attempt to put the relationship back together too -- a VERY tall order and the reason why this almost never works out in the long run. Ask anyone who has done that.Quote:
Originally Posted by everhopeful
And just for the record on some level, we are all "worth it". For me, it doesn't justify trying again after its ended but each to their own. It only means you were probably the one who got left and/or you've never left and don't know what that is like. People who do the leaving tend to think differently than that about their ex-partners.
Read this somewhere:
No Contact Q&A
By Caliguy
Q. What is no contact.
A. No contact is just that. It's breaking all ties to your ex.
Q. What is no contact for?
A. No contact is meant as the most quick means for you to heal.
Q. If I implement NC will I get my ex back?
A. Probably not, but that's not what NC is meant for. Yes, absence makes the heart grow fonder, but if you're banking on NC as a way to manipulate your ex back into your life you are in for a rude awakening.
Q. What should I be doing to implement NC?
A. Absolutely cutting all ties to your ex. That means no calls, emails, text/sms, IM's - nothing. You need to vanish completely from their life and in the process, make them disappear from yours. In addition, get rid of their phone number, emails and email address, remove all the pictures/photos/memories/gifts. Anything that reminds you of the ex should be boxed up and put in a safe place out of daily view and easy reach.
Q. What should I be doing during NC?
A. First off, allow the grieving process to happen naturally. You need to grieve a loss, but don't dwell on it. Hang out with your friends, immerse yourself in a new hobby and start working out. Working out is especially useful because not only does it release endorphins which help make you feel better but you'll start looking your best which will help you attract someone new. If you need Counseling, by all means go.
Q. I don't want to implement NC because I don't want to lose him/her.
A. Unfortunately you already have. Clinging on to them or the hope you'll get them back will only keep you down longer. Additionally, the natural reaction of any Ex when you cling on to them is for them to literally spring in the other direction. If you do have any chance of a reconciliation, your best bet is to leave them alone and forget about them.
Q. My ex wants to be friends, is this a good idea?
A. No, not if you are still in love with them. For the most part Ex's will keep you as a friend so they have a 'back up plan' in case things fail with the new love of their life. Ask yourself if you're happy being #2 in someone's life. If so, more power to you. But if you respect yourself and have healthy self-esteem you'll never settle for being left hanging on a string. All it will do is keep you clinging to the false hope of getting back with your ex, keep you down in the dumps much longer than you should be and ruin any chance you have of meeting someone new. So hey, if you want to be miserable, be good buddies with your ex.
Q. I can't resist the urge to contact my ex! What should I do?
A. If you've deleted all their contact info yet still remember how to reach them, call a friend instead. Go work out. Take a bike ride. Go for a jog. Do something to occupy your mind. Get out, don't sit around the house pining for your Ex. Rest assured they are not sitting around with their new love wondering why you aren't calling them.
Q. How long should I wait to contact my ex.
A. Never be the first to contact your ex. If you need something back, ask a friend to go get it for you. If you have kids together, NC is almost impossible. The best thing to do is keep whatever contact you must have to a minimum. Don't argue with them, don't ask for a second chance, don't beg them to take you back. Just be very polite and business-like. You thank yourself later for being the bigger person. Additionally the best way to make someone see they're being an a**hole is to not be one in retaliation. Let them vent and just be quiet. Sooner, rather than later, it'll hit them that they're being absolutely childish and you'll come out smelling like a rose.
Q. I've been on NC for some time and my Ex just contacted me, what do I do?
A. The question is why are they contacting you? If it's just to get something back, box up their stuff and have a friend give it to them. No need to reply. No matter what, don't contact them back right away. Don't answer if they call. Show them you have a life and you don't need them in it. Yes, it's kind of a game but a necessary evil. I know a lot of people might disagree with me on this, but I'm a skeptic. I want to know why the ex is contacting me. If they are having doubts, they will make it clear. If you respond to them, be sure to take a day or two to do so. This will give you time to think clearly about what you want to say. When you reply, make sure that it's polite and to the point. Don't make any small talk. Don't bring up the past (big no no). Don't volunteer any information about yourself. Be the first to end the conversation. Do be happy, do smile inside (CBT) and know that you'll be fine. Trust me, if your ex wants you back nothing will stop them from getting in touch with you. And this is ideally what you want. You want them to initiate the contact because it will be their heart that has changed.
Q. What happens if I break NC?
A. You'll end up right back to square one and have to start all over. Don't believe me? Read through some of the 'I broke NC' threads. Trust me, while you are on NC with them and they are with someone else, you don't want to know how they are doing. You don't want to hear how happy they are. As "No Foolin" says, you can't handle what they have to say.
Q. What if I see them in public?
A. Read No Foolin's thread on NC (in my signature file). Bottom line, avoid contact with them at all cost. If you can't, just be polite and smile and wave if they wave at you. If they want to talk, remember the rule. No small talk, no information. You're doing great without them, even if you aren't.
Q. What if my Ex never contacts me?
A. Then it was never meant to be. Consider yourself lucky and smart enough to realize the sooner you implemented NC and got on with your life the sooner you can meet the right person for you. That's really what this whole no contact deal is all about.
Realize that none of us are immune to heartbreak. Consider each relationship as a lesson life teaches us that we carry on to the next relationship. What doesn't kill you will only make you stronger. That's what NC does. It allows you to reflect on your past mistakes and grow as a person. Each time you fail in a relationship you gain invaluable knowledge that will aid you in the next.
Men say women are like buses, there is always another one coming around the corner. It's the same for women too. There will be someone else, I guarantee you that. The sooner you cut ties with the ex, healed yourself up, improved where you can and have imbedded the lessons of your past the better off you'll be for someone else.
Above all, never tell yourself "I'm not good enough, no one loves me, blah blah blah." That's a self-defeatist attitude and kills your confidence and self-esteem. You are plenty good enough and someone will love you. You just have to be happy with who you are. Be the best you you can be.
Every step forward you make is one step closer to meeting the person of your dreams. It will likely happen as soon as you have decided you respect yourself enough to take back your personal power. The power you give to your Ex every moment you spend thinking about them, wishing they would call or clinging on to them. Take back control of your life by vowing to move on. To accept what has happened. To let go compeltely.
To be free to love again.
This also fits in with Mrs Miyagi's concept of emotional intelligence.Quote:
Originally Posted by valinors_sorrow
She speaks the truth here.. I did use no contact a few months back in the wrong manner but I don't see it that way now and most of my healing has happened AFTER I started to realise what NC was really for.
HOLY COWABUNGA KAITOU!!
Where were you and that post, like say, six months ago??
Many many greenie to you for that - I mean it.
Now there is some REALISTIC information about the No Contact Rule and a great improvement over the other post I saw like this.
Bottom line: whoever did the leaving needs to be the one to rekindle it, otherwise it's a no-go.
The only paragraph I think needs some work for how it supports being manipulative is this one:
Q. I've been on NC for some time and my Ex just contacted me, what do I do?
A. The question is why are they contacting you? Ask them!
No matter what, don't contact them back right away. Don't answer if they call. Show them you have a life and you don't need them in it. Yes, it's kind of a game but a necessary evil. I know a lot of people might disagree with me on this I do disagree, its gamey and I think there is real power in honest responses, not canned ones.
I'm a skeptic. I want to know why the ex is contacting me. Then by god ask them, crikey!
If they are having doubts, they will make it clear. If you respond to them, be sure to take a day or two to do so. This will give you time to think clearly about what you want to say. When you reply, make sure that it's polite and to the point. Don't make any small talk. Don't bring up the past (big no no). Don't volunteer any information about yourself. Be the first to end the conversation. Do be happy, do smile inside (CBT) and know that you'll be fine. Nevermind all this baloney, just be genuinely you and go slow. You have an honest right to be guarded
Trust me, if your ex wants you back nothing will stop them from getting in touch with you. Trust this one A LOT.
And this is ideally what you want. You want them to initiate the contact because it will be their heart that has changed. Please! Give up the wanting, its toxic to your recovery.
Yea I wish I read that like a month ago >.> I was never a big believer of no contact, so I was reluctant to use it. I saw it as a manipulative mean of getting my ex back. But after reading that post, I've realize what I should really be doing. And how to move on
Is there a way to make this a sticky? Or appear at the top of the Relationship Forum.
This is so great and it really explains NC and it's actual benefits!!
Yes there is a way to make a stickey and I trying to find it
The trouble with thinking there is anything you can do to get one one who left back is this:
Now that you're out, what's left to do is only pretty superficial things really. Think about it.
So if you win your ex back (who by the way rejected you when you already showed them what the real you is like in a relationship) by doing superficial things, then all I can say is you two deserve each other. It implies one of two things to me:
Gamers playing by manipulation. Plan on lots of high drama.
Immature people who use breaking up and getting back together again (and again and again) as a way to say, hey we have a problem in this relationship. The rest of us negotiate that before we end it.
If by chance they return on their own, you got some serious work to do and almost everyone ignores that.
Umm, can we modify that one paragraph? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by talaniman
Of course we'd have to give Caliguy most of the credit with a mention about the modification...
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