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  • Feb 25, 2009, 10:38 PM
    mrpigz
    Am I really a bad boyfriend ?
    Hi all, This is the first time I had ever, put down my thoughts on the internet , in hope of really seeking opinions from people around the world.

    I want to thank all of you in advance, if you had spend time to read what I had written here. Thank You. :)

    This is going to be a long story, so I would tried my best to keep the story short.

    My Ex-girlfriend and I had been together for more than one and half years. Throughout the relationship, we were very happy. We would spend times together, with my family and with her family as well. I tried to do things with her family and really hope I can be in good terms with them.

    For Me, I had always being single in my life till I met her. The reason being is I want to have a committed and long term relationship. That is why I don't get into a relationship so easily because I fear the breakup process. She is the first women I had put my whole heart to, and always without fail, make her the first priority in life. ( for whatever the reason if she needs me, I will definitely be there to meet her even if I had to thrown my studies or on hand task aside.

    The relationship initially was very great. I can sense she loved me a lot, try to do things for me and even sometime when we had small or big arguments, she would spend the time and effort with me, sit down and compromise and change for each other. Suddenly it all changed, she is not putting me in her first priority anymore or should I say I am not that important to her anymore. She would rather spend time with others and her family but not me. And when she spend too much time on her studies and I felt neglected, if I would comment... or feedback to her even in a nice way, she would end up getting frustrated, and both of us will become depress and we cannot communicate anymore. And then after that she would need time to be alone to recover, which really kills me.

    To keep things short, late last year after a big argument, she broke off with me, although she never directly told me about the breakoff but she avoided me for a very long time. So end up I called her, and ask about it , she say maybe is over. So I assume is over.

    But after the breakoff, she contacted me like good friends and we started chatting. And we happen to talk about the relationship again and she say she actually had enough of me, she think I am not a person that can support her. And in one of the statement she say : "what if one day i end up supporting you?" etc. and she treats the break up as a break... and told me stuff like, maybe one day we can patch back. Which confuses me.

    But still deep inside me, I cannot believe she can leave me just like that , because of a big agrument. I had never had any intention to leave her before, even when I am so tired about the argument, so tired about her being not always there for me when I needed her, even during big arguments, during time when she is seriously depress even when she had problems. I never in fact have a slightest mindset of leaving her for the better.

    But, deep in my heart I still love her, so I tried to change myself, I don't demand anything from her, even she is to do her work or studies till having no time for me, I also won't complain. So somehow, I changed and we manage to patch back again.

    After we had patched back, things changed, I didn't demand much, but one day we went into a small agrument again. I though is something small, but to her she needs some recovery time before she can be back to normal with me. I felt so tired of this recovery time.

    Somehow, after the recovery time, one day she called me and both of us met-up. I though everything is going to be okay, but when she saw me, she gave me a very irritated look and told me she is very frustrated. She is so frustrated about friends whom ask her about me, very frustrated about everything. I try to pamper her with words and try to change to a lighter topic, but she just keep saying she is very frustrated and wouldn't want to get near to me. I cannot hold her hands etc. I feel damm lousy and damm sad that, the love you love find you frustrating and is like so fearful of you.

    So I though of it and eventually, told her that I know what she meant, I say to her that.. I really love her but I cannot bear to see her feeling so sad and frustrated with me. I love her, I really want her to be happy, but I cannt make her happy anymore , I really did all my best to salvage the relationship with her. I change , I really never demand much from her already, but to her, her tolerance level of me is no longer there anymore. No matter what I say to her or say if I want a dinnner with her, if she cannot, and I feel upset, she will become very frustrated with me. Everything I say is like a thorn to her.

    I feel so sad, but I had no choice but to let her go. I really cannot bear it. But what's the point if she is not happy.

    So end up, I told her what she wanted to hear, the break off. And I apologise to her for wanting to try the relationship again with me for the 2nd time. And in order for her to have someone to talk to, which she told me she need it, I called one of her family member over to our conversation, to tell her what had happen. So that her family member can comfort her at least when I am away.

    I feel very embarrassed, during the conversation because I cried in the process, but at least I know this is the last thing I can do for her as she told me she need my help to convey this issue to someone in her family.

    Is being almost around 1 month + since the 2nd break off. I admit that I still had feelings for her, But I know she don't anymore. She seems to move on very well. Meeting with friends, new people. Being more independent now.

    Recently I met her again, she invited me to a meal, as a form of treat to my birthday. After I had met her, I had mixed feelings again.

    Maybe I am just very immature, I am always thinking about what is wrong, what did I do wrong, why, why is it wrong to put her as the first priority, why she suddenly change so much. Why or how could she suddenly lose her feeling for me so fast.

    ~sigh... is there really such a thing of loving a person too much till you force her away? Is it really wrong? Is there really a committed relationship in this world? Or people will just tend to leave for better people.

    Anyway so sorry guys for such a long whinny message. So boring right? Haha.sorry

    Thanks to anyone that spend time to read my boring story... hope you guys have a nice day.
  • Feb 25, 2009, 11:06 PM
    artlady

    You sound as if you were a very good boyfriend.Your post is not whiny or boring :)

    There is a saying *nice guys finish last*.

    What that means to me is that the nice guy gets taken advantage of and a man that is always subservient to a woman is often not respected as a *man* by the woman.

    Many women sees this as a weakness.

    Many young woman want the bad boy type.Whether it is because of the challenge or because they think they can change them,I don't know.

    As women get older and mature I think this type of behavior lessens. It is then when they can get nothing but the bad boys they regret the nice one that they rejected.

    Maybe you were too giving and she she saw this as a weakness.

    I would not change who you are.There is someone out there who would truly love to have a man who is kind and understanding.

    Not everyone is out to find *someone better*. Just selfish people who have over inflated egos and think the world revolves around them.

    Take this painful experience and learn from it and I suspect in the future you will make someone very happy.

    Good luck!
  • Feb 25, 2009, 11:17 PM
    kp2171
    So the best I can say is you weren't that great of a match.

    You were threatened when she spent time on her studies or with others. Sorry. A person with many friends and interests is a grounded person. You sound insecure in this section of your post.

    She doesn't think you can support her... which might mean she thinks you are too much work for her. It happens.

    I don't think you loved her so much you forced her away... I think you loved her, but not as she needed, and that's what forced her away.

    Sometimes you love a person you can't be with, or who can't be with you.

    None of this means you are a bad boyfriend... but it might mean you weren't a good fit for her, at this time.
  • Feb 25, 2009, 11:17 PM
    arnimal7
    You are not a bad boyfriend for loving her and putting her first. However she is not a bad girlfriend for feeling suffocated. It sounds like she just needs time to get her life together withschool and being independent. You might have been holding on a little too tight. Therefor getting frustrated because you may not understand. I have one question for you, how old are you and she? Age has a lot to do with it. I am sensing you both are in your early 20's. If so then that is normal for her or you to feel that way. Being that I am a woman, I can tell you right now girls/women like to feel independent and some not all like a little bit of a chalenge from men. So with that being said, I think you should cherrish the memories that you had with her and move on. Don't be a beck and call boy, and if she tries to call you I would miss a few of those calls. Let her feel like you have moved on. Cause you never know, she might get turned on even more and want you back. Haha Good luck with that
  • Feb 26, 2009, 12:00 AM
    UnluckyDucky
    Quote:

    She is the first women I had put my whole heart to, and always without fail, make her the first priority in life. ( for whatever the reason if she needs me, I will definitely be there to meet her even if I had to thrown my studies or on hand task aside.
    Not everyone will agree with me on this point, and that's fine - I just want to offer you another perspective here. While it's encouraged to have your partner as a priority in your life, I'm a firm believer in that you should always keep yourself the first priority in your life. Doing so not only allows you to always bring the best of yourself to the relationship but also reminds you that you are ultimately responsible for your own happiness. Remember, relationships should augment and bring additional happiness to your life, not be the sole source of it.

    I have to agree with artlady in that many women will react to you putting them ahead of yourself as a sign of weakness. I want to add that this will also cause most to start losing attraction for you.

    Quote:

    ~sigh... is there really such a thing of loving a person too much till you force her away? Is it really wrong?
    If woman feels they are smothered by your affection or feels that you are too clingy, then yes it can force her away. Each individual in a relationship typically needs to have their own space once in awhile.

    I honestly don't think you're a bad guy at all. I just think that you ultimately fell into the trap that many guys do - you get so overwhelmed with feelings of love that you lose yourself in the relationship because its very easy to do.
  • Feb 26, 2009, 12:37 AM
    mrpigz
    Hi artlady, kp2171 , arnimal7. Thank you so much for spending time to reply to my story or question.

    I am 25 this year and she is in early 20s.

    Anyway, I would like to add on something about what really went wrong in the last episode. I think is a very bad incident which shows that I am pushy to her I think.

    When we patch back, there was this moment, after not going out together for like 2 weeks, she finally decided to spend time with me to accompany me to buy some stuff.

    So in the process I was very happy, I waked up earlier to buy the breakfast she would like to eat and went over to give her a surprise. She was very happy and after that we proceed on to have our outing.

    But suddenly, in the bus when I stroke her hair, stand very close to her, she suddenly feel very down. Is like very sad etc. So out of concern, I ask her what happen, did I do anything wrong or there's just something you she don't like?

    Her reply was : " i dont know, dont ask me!"... after awhile she seems very frustrated. I am very confuse by then so I ask her out of concern : "hmm.. sorry i really might not be able to understand sometimes, but it would be good if you could tell me abit about whats going on?"

    But she just get more frustrated and say Don't Know! Then we sit down quietly at some place and I keep my mouth shut and then after awhile I send her home.

    The next day, I though she is okay so I went to find her and ask her whether it would be okay for her to have dinner with me? She say no, she will be going home to rest.

    So I was quite disappointed, then when she ask me about what am I going to do now, I say
    I wanted to stay with her in the computer room awhile before she left. She then get very pissed off and get very frustrated, crunching her fist and getting real angry and boiled up. Haha is sort of like the role is reverse between a guy and a women.

    After that I try to calm her down, but she doesn't want me to be near to her. So stupidly and confuse me , ask her : " seriously, am i important to you?" I mean previously so many occasion, you ask me to have dinner with you to wait for you in school, I just push everything away for you because you need a person to accompany you in school till late.

    She then replied : " important? important VERY important..so important that i want to marry you now you know...must as well marry you now ! "

    I felt very sad, after which a lot of commotion took place, which makes us both want to break down.

    Hmm one question is that, is it wrong to ask what happen to your parnter if she's feeling down? Or should one be quiet and hope she would tell you instead.

    And lastly, is it wrong to be too frank to someone you loved on the levels of sharing to them how you feel?

    Okz, I should stop whinning so much now, thanks a lot sincerely to you guys and anyone that can really give me your opinions on my situation. Because I really feel abit of the low self esteem, wanting to know what's wrong with me after she had decided to left me.
  • Feb 26, 2009, 12:53 AM
    arnimal7

    Your welcome. You know, when I was like 20, There was this guy that I dated and he was smart, nice, compassionate, so on and so forth. He put me first all of the time, pretty much did any and everything for me. Everything was great with him and I saw us being married but there was that one thing that I couldn't figure out. I just couldn't give him my all. For what ever reason I still to this day don't know. So maybe she loves you but really doesn't love you.
  • Feb 26, 2009, 05:54 AM
    talaniman

    Quote:

    She then replied : " important? important VERY important..so important that i want to marry you now you know...must as well marry you now ! "
    Not sure I understand what was meant here, but for sure you were a bit to clingy and always trying to fix things for her. Knowing when to back off, and give a partner space to breath, and grow, is a lot better than making her your ONLY priority.

    BALANCE your life with other things, and she can appreciate you more, when you do get together, if you do. Your inexperienced, and need to learn, you will, if not with her, with another.

    I suggest you back off, and leave her alone for a while, and focus on your own happiness, so you will have something good to share.
  • Feb 26, 2009, 06:19 AM
    slapshot_oi
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrpigz View Post
    And when she spend too much time on her studies and i felt neglected, if i would comment ...or feedback to her even in a nice way, she would end up getting frustrated, and both of us will become depress and we cannot communicate anymore. and then after that she would need time to be alone to recover, which really kills me.

    I had a girlfriend that would nag like that, she drove me nuts. And who are you to say what's too much time?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrpigz View Post
    hmm one question is that, is it wrong to ask what happen to your parnter if she's feeling down? Or should one be quiet and hope she would tell you instead.

    It ain't wrong, but after a while of hearing "I'm fine" when you know she's really not, you should just learn to take what the say at face value and go about your business. Yeah, it's unhealthy and annoying, but blasting her with questions doesn't seem to be working either.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrpigz View Post
    and lastly, is it wrong to be too frank to someone you loved on the levels of sharing to them how you feel?

    That's actually a really good question. My first serious girlfriend, when I was 18, told a mutual friend, "sometimes he's too honest", I told her everything, all the time, so often that I'm sure only half of it was true. Since then, I've learned to say only what needs to be said; less is more.
  • Feb 26, 2009, 06:53 AM
    Romefalls19

    Slapshot, your second point is dead on. As bad as it sounds, if my fiancé is bothered and I know she is, I'll ask maybe once or twice what's wrong. If she says "nothing" or "i'm fine" I go about my business, I feel if she wants to talk about it, she will when she is ready. I hate being bothered when something is wrong with me. Especially if I am just trying to figure it out myself.
  • Feb 26, 2009, 08:24 AM
    mrpigz

    hi guys thanks for the replies. I appreciate all of the respond.

    Guess I am just too clingy on her or maybe I should say... without knowing, I am too used to do things with her, together with her.

    I guess I am really sucky in relationship. I though I could give her happiness by putting her as first priority, being honest with her with how I feel and always be there for her. But I didn't realize so much that it becomes or I becomes clingy and needy.

    Is it always true that no matter what, guys should not be clingy to their partners? Shouldn't spend too much time with their partners?

    Is it there a relationship that both clings to each other? ( OK maybe my question sound stupid... sorry) =X

    I need to grow up and learn. I am really feeling like a failure now. Is like I force the one I love away.
  • Feb 26, 2009, 08:41 AM
    kctiger
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrpigz View Post
    hi guys thanks for the replies. i appreciate all of the respond.

    Guess i am just too clingy on her or maybe i should say...without knowing, i am too used to do things with her, together with her.

    i guess i am really sucky in relationship. I though i could give her happiness by putting her as first priority, being honest with her with how i feel and always be there for her. But i didnt realize so much that it becomes or i becomes clingy and needy.

    Is it always true that no matter what, guys should not be clingy to their partners? shouldnt spend too much time with their partners?

    Is it there a relationship that both clings to each other? ( ok maybe my question sound stupid...sorry) =X

    I need to grow up and learn. i am really feeling like a failure now. Is like i force the one i love away.


    Relationships are a learning experience, period. It is all about finding a BALANCE between the lives of the partners involved...
  • Feb 26, 2009, 09:15 AM
    UnluckyDucky
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrpigz View Post
    hi guys thanks for the replies. i appreciate all of the respond.

    Guess i am just too clingy on her or maybe i should say...without knowing, i am too used to do things with her, together with her.

    i guess i am really sucky in relationship. I though i could give her happiness by putting her as first priority, being honest with her with how i feel and always be there for her. But i didnt realize so much that it becomes or i becomes clingy and needy.

    Is it always true that no matter what, guys should not be clingy to their partners? shouldnt spend too much time with their partners?

    Is it there a relationship that both clings to each other? ( ok maybe my question sound stupid...sorry) =X

    I need to grow up and learn. i am really feeling like a failure now. Is like i force the one i love away.

    It looks like this was your first serious relationship so don't be too hard on yourself. If I had to guess, less than 99.99% of all people ever get it right the first time. Believe me, I thought that giving my all to the girl that I loved was the right way to go too - little did I know that revolving my life around her and ignoring my own was not healthy for me or the relationship.

    True failure exists only when we refuse to learn the lessons presented from an experience. Once you're in the right frame of mind, compare the lessons you you have learned to the price you have paid, and you'll find every time that the lesson is truly a bargain.
  • Feb 26, 2009, 09:42 AM
    kp2171
    Look, if I have any clue about what I say, and some would say I don't have a clue, its because I made mistakes. Many of them. Over and over. Idiot things. Dumb moves. Been there, done that.

    I've smothered a girl with too much attention.

    I've forced too much distance with another.

    I've spent hours planning how to wrap my life around a woman's life.

    I've neglected a love for selfish, hurtful reasons.

    We aren't saints here. At best, were reformed "sinners" who have learned from the mistakes we've made or the mistakes we've seen others make.

    So... maybe you are too clingy. I think that is amplified right now because of her behavior. She isn't exactly calming you down or reassuring.

    I can't speak for what's going on in her mind. My experience is when someone acts like she does, over and over, and it isn't just an "off week"... she's walking around the lines of a breakup and just doesn't know what to do. Leave the security? Test the waters?

    There's no "perfect match" formula that makes all happy. Some people like to dote on their love. Some don't. Some people like to focus all their time and interest on their love. Some need time to themselves, for their friends, family, etc.

    So... like I said. You might not be a "bad bf"... but you might be, or she might be, a bad match. Good people who care about each other, but don't quite mesh in enough ways.

    She's clearly feeling pressure. Whether that's from you... or whether that's of her own making, wondering... or both... I don't know.

    You can't save a relationship by solely your actions. You also usually don't get to take all the blame. Something is off here and until you both address it, whatever the underlying issue, you are just going to go back and forth with up and down emotions. One moments its great. Next its not.

    You are trying to deal with the symptoms. Her stress. Her outbreaks.

    That isn't what you need to deal with. You need to understand the real cause behind this. Is she really happy or not? Is she interested perhaps in someone else? Is she needing to focus on school and a relationship is too much work right now? Are there issues with money? Grades? Family? etc...

    Maybe the problem is you. Or not. If you can't talk to her calmly about what she is going through and she can't talk to you calmly about what is going on... I don't see much future here... not without resolving whatever is going on.

    She needs to learn to talk to you about what she honestly feels. You need to be open and willing to hear the truth, whatever that is.
  • Feb 26, 2009, 11:03 AM
    slapshot_oi
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrpigz View Post
    Is it always true that no matter what, guys should not be clingy to their partners? shouldnt spend too much time with their partners?

    Is it there a relationship that both clings to each other? ( ok maybe my question sound stupid...sorry) =X

    I think we've all been there, in fact I did it with the last girl I dated. Naturally, she broke up with me.

    Being clingy is bad because it screams insecurity and people just can't respect that, and in my last "relationship" (a 2-monther) I was insecure. I constantly worried about her ex killing himself or one of us and the fact I was still in college living off beer and spaghetti while she was off making over 60K a year driving an '08 Camery; I was so insecure so I'd try and "win her heart" via nice-guy syndrome.

    If you have your girlfriend on a pedestal and emulating what you think is her ideal man, how is your girlfriend ever going to learn and grow with you?
  • Feb 27, 2009, 12:08 AM
    mrpigz
    slapshot_oi , kp2171, UnluckyDucky, kctiger, Romefalls19, talaniman,arnimal7, artlady, thanks for all your reply. The opinions you gave really did help me thought through a lot.
    Thanks also for some that even share their personal experience as an example.

    KP2171 , thanks, your last reply was so excellent, maybe its really that we are not a real match or for her maybe she had already given up hope on me.

    I still remember our first break off happens, when she really did things she know that I doesn't like and we agreed before not to do it. So of course, I become frustrated that I feedback to her, then she say she had enough of me.

    The fact is that, previously whenever we had a serious argument or misunderstanding, we would really spend time together and try to compromise each other. I mean really willingly spend the effort to see where we are heading to.

    But till recently, it is not happening anymore. I wanted very much to try, at least communicate about what's wrong or at least communicate to one another when misunderstanding happens. But every time a small misunderstanding happens, she will walk away or want to be alone, away from me.

    The first break off she say " she is very happy with me, but am really exhausted."

    The second break off came about with me letting her go because she feel very frustrated and feel very comfortable with me. Once she saw me, she would become frustrated.

    Anyhow, guys thanks, but I hope I can still ask all of you a question. Hope you guys don't find me irritating... haha...

    Recently I had met up with her again for a short meal. I found that she had changed a lot, really not like what I used to be with anymore.

    Previously during the first few weeks of the 2nd break off, she would still sms me now and then, but now she doesn't.

    Actually deep inside, I somehow feel got some feelings for her, because she is the first women that I love and really spend a lot of effort into the relationship.

    Should I move on? Should I adopt the no contact rule? I don't know what I should do now. When I see her, I would have mixed feelings.

    Thank you for all your response in advance. :)
    Hope you guys had a nice and wonderful weekends.
  • Feb 27, 2009, 12:52 AM
    talaniman

    To be attached to another is human, and breaking that attachment is one of the hardest things you will ever do. Yes, cutting all contact with her allows the emotional dust to settle enough for you to cope with your feelings, and not have them stirred up, or confused by the ex.

    Then you can make better decisions for yourself, based on facts and not just those strong intense feelings you have. By in large, that's the best way to go.
  • Feb 27, 2009, 01:39 AM
    yanugst

    Man, I'm in exactly the same position as you. I'm 25, she's 30. At first everything was amazing, we got along just so incredibly well. Then all in a sudden, someday, there came about the question of "space". What I don't quite understand is that why was she spending every minute with me at the beginning then all in a sudden when the relationship has reached a new level she starts talking about how little space I gave her and how clingy I am.
  • Feb 27, 2009, 02:52 AM
    smalltowngal

    I'm only going by a small amount of information you've provided, but you've mentioned how she spends her time. She works, goes to school, tries to make time to spend with friends... sounds as though she has a pretty busy life. What you didn't mention is how you spend your time, but it sounds like you've got extra time on your hands if you're so easily able to drop everything to be with her. She could be feeling smothered and pressured to make time for you that she really doesn't have to spare. She could also be frustrated if she doesn't see you having specific direction in your life. What are YOUR dreams? What are YOUR goals? What do YOU want out of the next 60 years of your life? And what are you doing right now to accomplish that?
  • Feb 27, 2009, 03:30 AM
    mrpigz
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smalltowngal View Post
    I'm only going by a small amount of information you've provided, but you've mentioned how she spends her time. She works, goes to school, tries to make time to spend with friends... sounds as though she has a pretty busy life. What you didn't mention is how you spend your time, but it sounds like you've got extra time on your hands if you're so easily able to drop everything to be with her. She could be feeling smothered and pressured to make time for you that she really doesn't have to spare. She could also be frustrated if she doesn't see you having specific direction in your life. What are YOUR dreams? What are YOUR goals? What do YOU want out of the next 60 years of your life? And what are you doing right now to accomplish that?

    Hi smalltowngal, she doesn't work but both of us are in the same school right now. She's not someone that always went out with friends but she is someone that is very focus in studies.
    To start with, I too have my studies and assignment to deal with, my hobbies, my own family , my own friends, my own plans of getting a job after I graduate.

    Anyway, my extra time came about because I cancel my friends outing plan or study plan to be with her. This is because she is very focused in study, and I respect her for that, so in order to compromise, if I had my own outing plan etc, I would cancel mine so that I would be free during moments when she is free. If I don't, I would not be possible to really spend time with her.
    Sometime I wonder whether is it okay do that for the one you really loved. Is like During our anniversary last year, I would do all the planning of surprises, gifts etc, but because she is very busy studying, she didn't prepare anything but I too have my exams.

    Maybe my thinking is wrong, such that for the one we loved we should sometimes sacrifice some of own priority for the time being.

    Frankly speaking, after being with her for so long, I really have the intention to settle down with her, so my life had really changed quite a lot. I often want to do things together with her, she too did the same but as times goes by, she slowly distant away wanting her own space time. After which I gave her all the space time she could, and try to comprise my time with her, my changing my own schedule to fit hers.
  • Feb 27, 2009, 03:35 AM
    smalltowngal

    Since you would so easily drop things like studying, maybe she feels that you don't take life seriously enough. I can understand changing plans with friends now and then in order to be with her, or better again, have her join in with your group. Cancelling study plans is never a good idea. In a healthy relationship, you don't have to sacrifice the things that should be priority. You instead find ways to compromise.
  • Feb 27, 2009, 06:02 AM
    talaniman

    Sometimes you just have to accept their feelings have changed and no matter how you sacrifice and compromise, you are not as compatible over the long run. I think until you are the one who have a change of heart, you will never understand how she feels, or why she left, despite your best actions and intentions. Its one of those things that you have no control over.
  • Feb 27, 2009, 09:46 AM
    mrpigz
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrpigz View Post

    The first break off she say " she is very happy with me, but am really exhausted."

    The second break off came about with me letting her go because she feel very frustrated and feel very comfortable with me. Once she saw me, she would become frustrated.

    Anyhow, guys thanks, but i hope i can still ask all of you a question. hope you guys dont find me irritating...haha...

    Recently i had met up with her again for a short meal. I found that she had changed alot, really not like what i used to be with anymore.

    Previously during the first few weeks of the 2nd break off, she would still sms me now and then, but now she doesnt.

    Actually deep inside, i somehow feel got some feelings for her, because she is the first women that i love and really spend alot of effort into the relationship.

    Should i move on? should i adopt the no contact rule? I don't know what i should do now. When i see her, i would have mixed feelings.

    Thank you for all your response in advance. :)
    Hope you guys had a nice and wonderful weekends.


    Sorry guys, could anyone, please advice me on what should I do now. Should I still keep in contact with my ex? I am confuse... thanks all
  • Feb 27, 2009, 09:51 AM
    kctiger
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrpigz View Post
    sorry guys, could anyone, please advice me on what should i do now. Should i still keep in contact with my ex? I am confuse... thanks all

    No... move on with your life. It is you first love, so you are going to be blinded by emotions, but don't let the emotions carry you away.
  • Feb 27, 2009, 10:08 AM
    kp2171
    You need some time apart. She's quick to change directions. You are all over the place. You both need to step back.

    Is she online trying to salvage this relationship? How hard is she trying to convince you that you are right for her?

    If all you are doing is trying to keep her close, then you are doing all the work... and at this point, I think she needs some distance. You might think stepping back means you let her go... not so much. Stepping back means you and she face reality... that things aren't quite right at this moment and you both need to think about yourselves, not the relationship.

    She might have an honest change of heart. Or not.

    But id absolutely be polite and kind, but step away some. The sudden ups and downs aren't OK. You might be worried about her moving on without you... what about her? Is she worried about you moving on? At this time, probably not.

    So step away, reduce or stop contact, focus on yourself and not her.

    Stop being there to please her. Stop being an emotional butler. Your job is not to "make" her happy... it is for you to be a happy person that she wants to be with, or not, but nonetheless... for you to be happy with yourself.

    I know, its oversimplified. Being with another person adds other dimensions... and most relationships involve some kind of compromise... but she's acting like you are smothering her and she's acting like she needs some space.

    Give it. Even if you don't want to.
  • Feb 27, 2009, 08:39 PM
    mrpigz
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kp2171 View Post
    is she online trying to salvage this relationship? how hard is she trying to convince you that you are right for her?

    Hi Kp2171, yah since the first break off, I had been the only one who want to salvage the relationship. I promise to change, change to meet her demands to meet the changes in her. I plead , I beg , I cried, I try to change whatever I could so that she could be with me again because I love her , I so think that she is the one that I want to settle down with.

    I am blinded by my emotions, because everytiime I want to move on, I would think of her, the greats times that I had with her and the old her... the nice and sweet old her.

    Most people think that I am clingy, needy, it is true. But since the patched back, I hardly demand anytime from her, only when she wants to meet me. I gave her space that she wanted, we only would sms each other or meet up with each other once awhile, when she is free.

    But in the end, I still was unable to cope with her sudden throw of tantrum. She can suddenly get frustrated and angry with me. And if I show that I am upset or pissed off too, she will say that she needs time alone from me again.then I will be left in a confused state again without knowing why, since I cannot ask her why.
  • Feb 27, 2009, 08:52 PM
    Ana52408
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by artlady View Post
    You sound as if you were a very good boyfriend.Your post is not whiny or boring :)

    There is a saying *nice guys finish last*.

    What that means to me is that the nice guy gets taken advantage of and a man that is always subservient to a woman is often not respected as a *man* by the woman.

    Many women sees this as a weakness.

    Many young woman want the bad boy type.Whether it is because of the challenge or because they think they can change them,I don't know.

    As women get older and mature I think this type of behavior lessens. It is then when they can get nothing but the bad boys they regret the nice one that they rejected.

    Maybe you were too giving and she she saw this as a weakness.

    I would not change who you are.There is someone out there who would truly love to have a man who is kind and understanding.

    Not everyone is out to find *someone better*. Just selfish people who have over inflated egos and think the world revolves around them.

    Take this painful experience and learn from it and I suspect in the future you will make someone very happy.

    Good luck!


    I mean "he" by mr. pigz by the way
  • Feb 27, 2009, 09:04 PM
    mrpigz
    Friends and everyone who viewed my thread, thanks. This is an update of what's going on.

    Recently, I visted her myspace. She seems so happy meeting new people and going out with her friends. Previously when we met or got to communicate with one another, she would somehow mention to me about her guy friends. Things like what her guy friends mention to her , giving tickets to her guy friends, meeting them more often etc.

    So far, I think she had really move on. Got busy with her studies and also going out to have fun.

    Come to think of it, its really very sad, that previously whenever I asked her out, she would say she is busy with schoolwork etc, busy with family. But somehow when I left her, she is not that busy anymore, she could take out time, go out more often and have fun. Haha

    So I think I am the most convenient source of reason for her stress and sadness. I sux big time. Haha

    Thoughts still floods in my mind, the day that I let go of her because she is tired of being with me. One of her family members told me, " i think she still likes you, can you please dont rule out the possibility that you 2 will patch back?"

    I Had mixed feelings, I am angry that she could just dump me and the relationship away so easily, where in fact when she throw tantrum or get depressed or when I felt tie down by her quick change of emotions, I never had any intentions of leaving her but to bear with it and try to compromise. However,I am still grateful and so in love with the old her.
  • Feb 27, 2009, 09:11 PM
    mrpigz
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ana52408 View Post
    i mean "he" by mr. pigz btw

    Hi ana, sorry but what does that mean? Haha... =X
  • Feb 27, 2009, 09:13 PM
    Ana52408

    Look at the first post by art lady
  • Feb 27, 2009, 11:30 PM
    talaniman
    mrpigz;1574817, Friends and everyone who viewed my thread, thanks. This is an update of what's going on.

    Recently, I visited her myspace. She seems so happy meeting new people and going out with her friends. Previously when we met or got to communicate with one another, she would somehow mention to me about her guy friends. Things like what her guy friends mention to her , giving tickets to her guy friends, meeting them more often etc.
    Its a big red flag when exes start to confide in you about others guys. Thats what GIRL friends are for. So now you have been demoted from boyfriend to ex-boyfriend, to girlfriend, and thats not good.
    So far, I think she had really move on. Got busy with her studies and also going out to have fun.
    Thats what she wanted to do and is doing, and why not??
    Come to think of it, its really very sad, that previously whenever I asked her out, she would say she is busy with schoolwork etc, busy with family. But somehow when I left her, she is not that busy anymore, she could take out time, go out more often and have fun. Haha
    Surely you don't expect her to give up her freedom, do you?? Not while she is enjoying herself! That makes no sense since she can do what ever she wants now.
    So I think I am the most convenient source of reason for her stress and sadness. I sux big time. Haha
    Thats a possibility, a very strong possibility.
    Thoughts still floods in my mind, the day that I let go of her because she is tired of being with me. One of her family members told me, " i think she still likes you, can you please don't rule out the possibility that you 2 will patch back?"
    You haven't let go of anything and thats the bad part, because if you did, you would be doing a lot of other things with other people and leaving her alone. Doesn't matter what her friends say, because if they really knew what they were talking about, they wouldn't be stirring up false hope in you.
    I Had mixed feelings, I am angry that she could just dump me and the relationship away so easily, where in fact when she throw tantrum or get depressed or when I felt tie down by her quick change of emotions, I never had any intentions of leaving her but to bear with it and try to compromise. However,I am still grateful and so in love with the old her.
    Its all well and good, but it really is time to see the bigger picture and really let her go. Fine to have good memories, but remember the tantrums and mood swings you had to go thru. They are gone to, so now you can heal, be healthy, and be in a healthy relationship with a happy healthy person who cares for you, but first YOU HAVE TO LET THIS ONE GO.
  • Feb 28, 2009, 08:32 PM
    mrpigz
    Thanks talaniman.

    Anyway, I just find it very hard , that first she is my first love. Second, I had put in so many effort and love in this relationship. Third, she could just go off so easily.

    The feelings really sux big time, I feel like a fool. An idiot.

    Guys, what do you do? If the love that you had constantly put in effort in, is lost.
    The love one just simply CAN leave you so easily.

    After forcing you to break up with her then tells you that you are still her friend and then moving so well.

    Throughout my relationship with her, I always had given her my attention, my assurance that I would not leave her for better, no matter what happens to her, and be always there for her.

    I still remember,when I was working part-part, I would every time run to her when I got my month pay. I would treat her to hotel's high tea buffets, buy her things that she like, because I want to share the joy with her and make her happy.
    But now, she never thinks of all the good things that I had done to her anymore.

    Sorry guys, I think I am grieving about the lost. But I just cannot help it, because it hurts so bad under the circumstances that she is my first love and I am so serious in this relationship.

    I fear that I cannot find my true love.

    Also, I really have a phobia now. Its like if you treat someone you loved wholeheartedly without holding back anything, she will run away from you. Is this true?

    Sorry guys, is it OK for me to grieve and share my feelings here?
  • Feb 28, 2009, 10:32 PM
    smalltowngal

    Yes, you can grieve and share your feelings here. And you are absolutely NOT an idiot or a fool. This just simply wasn't the right girl for you. That's all there was to it. There's nothing you did or could have done that would have changed that fact. And when the next relationship comes, you should continue to just be you and do all the things you want to do to show her your love. When you do find the right girl, she will appreciate all of those wonderful qualities that you have and she will love you for being so good to her. It's okay to be sad. Only a cold and heartless person wouldn't be.
  • Mar 1, 2009, 07:17 AM
    talaniman
    That first break up sucks for sure, but they all do! I kissed a lot of frogs before I found my queen, so will you. Never be ashamed of showing your love, as with the right person, its well worth the risk. She didn't appreciate what you did, that's her loss, not yours. Your free to find a better partner, and be happy, after you have healed.

    Soon you will see that being single is great, and you'll look deeper into the next one, and decide is she worth the risk or not. Like the healing process, choosing a good partner takes time, and there is no hurry.

    The really good news is you can date them all, and then make a choice, if you take your time by being true to yourself, and willing to share your happiness. Heal, and go kiss some frogs.
  • Mar 1, 2009, 12:26 PM
    kp2171
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mrpigz View Post
    i fear that i cannot find my true love.

    Also, i really have a phobia now. Its like if you treat someone you loved wholeheartedly without holding back anything, she will run away from you. Is this true?

    So after my first Big Love ended... a girl with whom id planned a life with, altered schools for, altered life plans for, and talked in detail about marriage in the later years of that 6 year relationship... I found myself one night seriously wondering

    "am i ever going to find someone again? ever going to have this kind of relationship again? and am i going to be alone?"...

    Well... yes. no. yes and no.

    Yes... I found other loves. Sure it took time, but there's a few billion people on this earth and there is no One that is your Soul Mate, in my opinion. There might be a lot of people who won't fit into my life quite right, but there's more than one person out there for me.

    Now... I'm married. My wife is too. (joke) but I don't say that to diminish my relationship. I just know she's a good woman and could find another good man, in time, if I wasn't around. "soul mates" is a term people use to elevate a relationship about those that other mortals have.

    I don't buy it.

    Every woman I loved dearly, I loved differently. No relationship will be the same... and that's good. I mean, if it were the same, itd end the same.

    I could finish the sentences and thoughts of my first big love, I knew her so well. My next big love had a playfulness about her, and we had a sexual tension that was just amazing, and then the next love connected more with me intellectually and spiritually... each love was different.

    As for the issue of holding back... hard to answer this simply.

    I do think it's a mistake to completely open yourself up to a person in the context of wanting too much too soon. A little mystery is good.

    Everybody is different in their likes, but I've always been most attracted to strong women who are driven, who have friends, lives, careers, who didn't want to make the relationship The Reason to be together. It wasn't about working hard on the relationship... it was about having good, natural overlap.

    When I was younger and inexperienced, I spent more time and effort into trying to perpetuate relationships... which causes you to lose yourself if you aren't careful... later on I learned that, yes, every realationship take work and effort, but the best relationships (for me, at least) are designed around being both an individual and being together.

    So... will giving all of yourself to another person drive them away? Perhaps, if done too soon.

    Don't forget, you need to be "chased" too... you need the girl to want to be with you, to need to be with you... and often people are happy when both sides are willing to chase a little, and then be chased some.

    At least that's what works for me.
  • Mar 3, 2009, 02:36 AM
    mrpigz
    Thank you guys for all the encouragement. I really appreciate it and really need it. Now I know what I need to do. I need to find closure to end of my current relationship. But the problem with me is , I had not totally let go yet. Some stupid part of my brain, still hoping she will regret the decision of leaving. I really don't know when I could stop thinking about this. I hate myself for thinking and thinking about her.

    Guys, I am having NC with her now. I will try my best to stick to it.
    However I do have a question. :confused:

    When she dumped me, she apologize and said that we can still be friends. So all along, I am trying to act as a gentleman to be friend with her. But whenever I saw her or talk to her, my feeling will have a rollar coaster ride again, up and down.

    Is it very petty or heartless if I go NC with her totally? But thinking of how she dump me and break the promise of being together, and how she make me break up with her, I find her heartless too. :(

    Also, Guys, today, I went school and happen to saw her again. Then after that, I felt so miserable again. I suddenly drop my tears on the bus when I am going home, when I thought of how me and her spend time together in school. I guess my male hormones are declining... haha :eek:

    Anyway, I really hate myself, that I still hoping that she would regret leaving me. I want to move on... :(
  • Mar 3, 2009, 02:50 AM
    mrpigz

    I am once a humorous person. But after she dump me, the feelings is just so devastating. I feel like I am no longer attractive, I am useless, I am boring, I am nothing but an emo guy with no good personality.

    I am slowly becoming more withdrawn from friends. Not as chatty as before. I don't know what I should do.
  • Mar 7, 2009, 05:08 AM
    mrpigz
    Hi all, just an update, currently I am feeling so much better. I am slowly recovering and I am gaining back my confidence in myself. Busy with my own work and spending time with my old buddies and family.

    I had being adapting back to my usual single life . With no worries, doing what I want. Haha... previously, when I am attached, I'm always doing everything for her, everything I did she would be my first priority.

    But right now I do really understand that, I am the sole of my own happiness. And in order to make other people happy, I should be happy first.

    Thank You everyone for the advice.

    Anyway, recently, my ex had drop me a short sms, asking how am I, and whether I am doing my school work well, encouraging me not to give up on my school work.

    Is she concern or just being guilty that she had dumped me?

    Guys can you all comment on this please ?

    Thank you in advance.
  • Mar 7, 2009, 06:06 AM
    talaniman

    At this point, take it as concern for a friend, and NOTHING more.

    Remember always that she has had a head start in healing, and dealing with the shock of a break up and you have a ways to go. Its normal to be confused and easy to see false hope in any little thing she says and does. That's why no contact helps you get beyond that confusion, and false hope, so you can see things in a more realistic light, and cope with the truth of the situation.

    Dumpers generally hate break ups too, but on an entirely different level. She may feel guilty for hurting your feelings, but she ain't changing her mind. Which is what the one dumped hopes for.
  • Mar 7, 2009, 10:14 AM
    BrokenHeart89
    Hey Mrpigz,

    I'm going through a similar thing. I'm starting to get the sense that I was holding my girlfriend to close and suffocating her. My ex however already had a new guy lined up right after me. She basically moved in with the guy. She said that he told her she can't always have her way and she changed for him. Is willing to do more things with this guys that she didn't do with me before because she was selfish and life seemed to revolve around her. It hurts that she made it seems so simple that all I had to do was talk to tell her she can't always get what she wanted.

    And yeah I too find myself getting angry she is willing to do this for a new guy so quickly. But she wasn't really open to new ideas or things I wanted to go out and do while we dated.

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