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  • Apr 29, 2007, 08:12 AM
    onyxbaby
    Mix breeding ?
    I think that my 8 pound terrier was bred by my neighbors dog which is about 110 pounds. I think that they had help. Is it possible for her to give birth to this mix with out killing her?
    I am really not sure if she is pregnant she was just at the vet Thursday and he did not mention it but this morning I see she has milk. She has allergy to fleas and had steroid shot on Thursday any possibility that is related?? Wishful thinking I know.
  • Apr 29, 2007, 10:15 AM
    RubyPitbull
    onyxbaby, you need to bring your dog back to the vet.

    If you believe that your neighbors dog bred with yours (how on earth did they have help?), you need to find out if she is pregnant and speak to your vet about the chances of her dying giving birth. If what you say is true about the size, in all likelihood this will kill her. You need to discuss aborting the pregnancy and SPAYING your dog. You have placed her in a position where her life may be in jeopardy. Not spaying her is irresponsible. Allowing her to wander while she is in heat, is extremely irresponsible. Please use some common sense and keep your dog healthy and safe.
  • Apr 29, 2007, 02:15 PM
    sadzgt
    Comment on RubyPitbull's post
    This answer could have been helpful if it were not filled with opinions that were appropriate. It would be no different if I were to said that this person must be a drug dealer because they own o Pit Bull.
  • Apr 29, 2007, 02:29 PM
    sadzgt
    I agree with Ruby Pitbull. Get your dog back to the vet and have an ultrasound or x ray. The vet would not be looking for a pregnancy if you did not ask him, and even then depending on how far along the animals is in the pregnancy it , could be mistaken for the intestinal tract. Dogs usually come in to milk approximately 7-10 days before whelping so you need to do this soon. If you have no intension of breeding this dog then you should have her spray. If cost is a problem there are many organizations that can help you. For the sake of your dog get her to the vet ASAP, she could die if what you think is true is.
  • Apr 30, 2007, 06:04 AM
    RubyPitbull
    sadzgt, please understand that the rules of conduct on this site do not exclude opinions. We are allowed to to promote our personal views and opinions. Cursing, being verbally abusive, are not allowed. When you have been on this web site long enough, you will see a number of questions such as this one, posted over and over again. It makes my heart hurt to see people who have no knowledge about it, post about pregnancy and breeding.

    You are wrong in your analogy. To suggest that I am a drug dealer because I own a pit is pure speculation on your part. You do not have any information about me to suggest that as an opinion. I however, have information on onyxbaby, through his/her writings. FACT: onyx owns a female terrier that weighs 8 pounds. Neighbor has a dog that weighs 110 pounds. Onyx suspects his/her dog to be pregnant. This means that onyx allows his/her unspayed female to wander around unattended while in heat. Onyx suspects that someone might have helped them mate. So, someone had access to his/her dog without her knowledge. Why and how? We come back to the dog being allowed to wander without being under Onyx's watchful supervision. Onyx is also suggesting to us that if we tell her that her dog's health is not in jeopardy, then she will allow her dog to have these puppies.

    You seem to possess some knowledge of dogs. We like that here. We need that here. But, one of our jobs is to point out when someone is not taking responsibility for their dogs. There are over 10,000,000 pets in the U.S. that are being euthanized yearly in shelters for lack of space. These dogs are thrown away for various reasons. There are not enough homes to go around. So, they are put to death solely due to human neglect, abuse, and carelessness. It is my position that anyone who allows their pet to wander around without supervision to possibly get hit by a car, abused by unknown assailants, get pregnant,. is being an irresponsible pet owner. If onyxbaby is insulted by my remarks, she needs to speak up and say so. Then she and I can have a discussion about why I have stated what I did state. My remarks are chosen carefully to make people think about their actions, or inactions, as the case may be, and yes, to admonish if I feel it is necessary. If her dog is pregnant by a 110 lb male, she has placed her dog's life in danger. Is that the sign of a responsible pet owner to you? Do you believe that people should be allowed to breed their pets because their pet "just happend" to become pregnant, or are ignorant of the dangers in mismatched pregnancies? Do you believe that people have a right to allow their dogs to wander unsupervised? I believe that we have a responsibility to all pets to provide them with a happy, safe, and healthy environment for their entire lives, when we choose to take them into our homes. I believe that if a person is not a knowledgeable breeder, one who breeds for show, or for service, they should do the responsible thing and spay/neuter their pets to avoid situations such as these. In addition, I am vehemently opposed to backyard breeders and puppymills. You will see, when you are here for a while, that we receive very basic questions about pregnancies from someone who is just looking to make a buck off their dog. It angers me that there are people out there that look at their dogs as a way to make a few extra dollars. All of these irresponsible people are the ones that are responsible for creating the situation that we have in our shelters.
  • Apr 30, 2007, 08:10 AM
    labman
    ''This answer could have been helpful if it were not filled with opinions that were appropriate.''

    Sadzgt, Those setting themselves up as experts here or elsewhere, not only have the right to express their opinions on responsible behavior, but the obligation to speak out against irresponsible behavior. Go poke around the computer area and see the answers to questions on getting around schools restrictions on visiting My Space or hacking passwords. The administration better understands computers than dogs and prohibits helping with such.

    Irresponsible pet owners create no end of misery. I consider those that claim to know and love dogs, but don't speak out on breeding questions here phonies.
  • May 3, 2007, 06:43 PM
    holly8383
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RubyPitbull
    onyxbaby, you need to bring your dog back to the vet.

    If you believe that your neighbors dog bred with yours (how on earth did they have help?), you need to find out if she is pregnant and speak to your vet about the chances of her dieing giving birth. If what you say is true about the size, in all likelihood this will kill her. You need to discuss aborting the pregnancy and SPAYING your dog. You have placed her in a position where her life may be in jeopardy. Not spaying her is irresponsible. Allowing her to wander while she is in heat, is extremely irresponsible. Please use some common sense and keep your dog healthy and safe.


    I think it was very rude of you to be that way to this person."use some common sense" how extremely rude!! Also quoting that you "know" about this person, yeah what do you know? How do you know she didn't ask her neighbor to watch her dog for her, maybe she didn't know her dog was in heat!! When I got my dog, I received her from a rescue shelter, she came with a spay certificate and I was told she had been spayed, but it turns out she wasn't and now she's in heat. Am I irresponsible for not spaying my dog? NO, because how would I have known she wasn't. So maybe you shouldn't pass judgement, I know for a fact that you're not perfect!! No one is
  • May 3, 2007, 07:09 PM
    RubyPitbull
    Well, Holly, I have to agree with you. I am not perfect. I never said I was. You are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine. Considering this person never posted back and never refuted what I said, I suspect that I interpreted her post correctly.

    Of course I do not think you are irresponsible for not spaying your dog. You were told a lie by the shelter. If I were you, I would be furious and insist that they pay for the spaying by the vet of my choosing. But, that is what I would do. I don't know you so I cannot assume to know what you would choose to do. But, to suggest what happened to you also happened to this person, is assuming a lot.

    I will admit that common sense is not all that common and some people do not possess it. So, I guess to suggest that she use common sense, may not have been the best choice of words. I will concede that point to you.
  • May 3, 2007, 07:16 PM
    labman
    I am hoping you are carefully watching your dog. Be prepared for creative, strenuous efforts to get loose you would never expected. Once loose, far worse things can happen than accidentally getting bred. I do hope you will have her spayed when the vet is willing to do it.

    Isn't it a little rude to rip into Rubypitbull the way you did? Skimping on details in a post risks having it misinterpreted.
  • May 3, 2007, 07:27 PM
    holly8383
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RubyPitbull
    Well, Holly, I have to agree with you. I am not perfect. I never said I was. You are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine. Considering this person never posted back and never refuted what I said, I suspect that I interpreted her post correctly.

    Of course I do not think you are irresponsible for not spaying your dog. You were told a lie by the shelter. If I were you, I would be furious and insist that they pay for the spaying by the vet of my choosing. But, that is what I would do. I don't know you so I cannot assume to know what you would choose to do. But, to suggest what happened to you also happened to this person, is assuming a lot.

    I will admit that common sense is not all that common and some people do not possess it. So, I guess to suggest that she use common sense, may not have been the best choice of words. I will concede that point to you.


    Thank you. I am going to demand that the shelter pay to spay my dog, I have a 7 month old male shiba inu who keeps trying to mate her. ( she's a 6 yr old rat terrier) all of her life she was used to make babies, and I don't think it would be right to let it happen again. I am also afraid if he does get a hold of her, and she were to get pregnant, that giving birth to those puppies would kill her. I do appreciate your reply. Also I don't really think that person had the exact experience I'm having, but it could be that she didn't know. I noticed my dog was bleeding and didn't know what was wrong so I called my vet. I was shocked of course to hear that she is in heat. I'm not even really sure how to handle it, she is never outside unless I'm with her. But I do have a "ready to go" male in my house.
  • May 3, 2007, 07:32 PM
    holly8383
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by labman
    I am hoping you are carefully watching your dog. Be prepared for creative, strenuous efforts to get loose you would never expected. Once loose, far worse things can happen than accidentally getting bred. I do hope you will go ahead and have her spayed when the vet is willing to do it.

    Isn't it a little rude to rip into Rubypitbull the way you did? Skimping on details in a post risks having it misinterpreted.


    No, I don't think my post was very rude, of course. I just think people shouldn't pass judgement, even with all of the facts. God doesn't pass judgement, why should we.
  • May 3, 2007, 07:36 PM
    RubyPitbull
    I think you are right about the possibility of her dying if she were to become pregnant. I must tell you that I am very, very appreciative of the fact that you chose to adopt this dog. I have worked with so many dogs that are abused by the practice of breeding over and over again. So, thank you for being so kind to this little girl.

    You may want to neuter your male. He is old enough and it usually curbs any tendency they have to hump people's legs and mark territory around your house when he matures. It can be a real problem. You don't know about it until they mature and boy, oh boy, can that be frustrating. It will also keep him from trying to take off on you if he smells any females outside who are in heat. They can get pretty smart when it comes to figuring out how to get out. Those hormones just make them go bonkers.

    For now, just keep them separate. Your vet will not be able to spay her until she is completely over her season. The blood vessels swell up and a good vet won't do anything so risky unless the female's life is in some sort of danger and it can't be helped.

    If you have any questions, concerns, or problems, please post back.
  • May 11, 2007, 06:00 PM
    holly8383
    We actually have been doing very well with sophie and max. we've had to keep sophie in a crate when we're not home, and keeping max downstairs at night. It's been very hard, but we're surviving. We plan to have sophie spayed in the next week or so, and max will be neutered at the same time. I figured it would be easier to have them both fixed at the same time. Then we can get back to some of the "normal" in our household. Thank you for your support and advice. I'll post back after their operations to let you know how they're doing.
  • May 11, 2007, 06:52 PM
    froggy7
    Just curious, if the male was neutered while the female is still in heat, will he lose interest in her? Or will it take time for his hormones to settle down? Just wondering if getting the male neutered earlier would help make the situation more normal, or if it wouldn't have any affect.
  • May 12, 2007, 06:00 AM
    RubyPitbull
    Thank you for posting back Holly. Yes, please let us know how everything is going.

    Froggy, it takes a while for the hormones to completely leave the body and settle down. Getting the male neutered earlier would resolve the problem of the female getting pregnant while she is still in heat. Since the vet will wait until she is fully over her heat before it is safe to spay her, then it would make sense to get the male done first. But, as long as Holly was able to successfully separate them, then there are no worries. I think getting them both fixed at the same time is a fine idea. They won't bother each other too much while they recuperate.

    By the way, "humping" can always be an issue even if a dog is fixed. It is not just a male response for reproduction. Males and females will hump as a way to assert dominance over others. So, as Holly's male matures, he may very well try to hump the female, and/or she will do it to him. They usually work it out between themselves as to who is the alpha, after Holly.
  • May 12, 2007, 06:32 AM
    labman
    Holly, I haven't answered because with Ruby's fine answers, I have little to add.

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