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51 is old?

What is going on that a woman aged 51 is now considered too old to run for pres? First it was Don Lemon, of whom I don't expect much, suggesting that women over 40 are past their prime. Now it's Whoopi, of whom I expect even less, saying this,

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During a segment on "The View," Goldberg played a clip of Haley calling for a new generation of leadership in Washington, D.C., before saying, "You're not a new generation, you're 51." She took cues from CNN host Don Lemon who was accused last week of making sexist remarks about Haley's age when he said she wasn't in her "prime."

Nikki Haley fires back at Whoopi Goldberg: 'If my age is all they have, it means we’re winning' | Fox News

I just came across this:

The term “Natural Born Citizen” was defined clearly by the US Supreme Court in Minor v Happersett, 88 US 167 (1878). It states that a “Natural Born Citizen” is any child born in a country of parents who were citizens of that country.

Neither of Haley’s parents was a citizen of the United States when she was born. So she can never hold the office of President or the office of Vice President in the United States.
https://www.thestandardsc.org/bill-b...ice-president/

Maybe.

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While I have consistently editorialized against birthright citizenship, the fact remains that jus soli (“right of soil”) is firmly ensconced within the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside,” the amendment clearly states.
Haley was born as Nimrata Randhawa in Bamberg, South Carolina on January 20, 1972. Therefore, she is a citizen of the United States by right of birth – notwithstanding the citizenship status of her parents.
In 2009, an attempt was made to invalidate the 11 electoral votes narrowly won in the state of Indiana by former U.S. president Barack Obama. One of the legal arguments put forward in support of this attempt was disqualifying Obama from holding the office of president “because his father was a citizen of the United Kingdom.”
Addressing this issue in the case of Ankeny v. Governor, the Indiana supreme court did a deep dive into the birthright citizenship issue – exploring its roots in British common law dating back more than three centuries.

Conspiracy Theories: Nikki Haley Is Not Eligible To Run For President (fitsnews.com)

I just wonder if everyone who brings this up will be labled as a "racist"?

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I just wonder if everyone who brings this up will be labled as a "racist"?

The article I mentioned was written by a very conservative SCinian. "Dr. Bill Bledsoe was labeled as “The Most Conservative Man in South Carolina” by his Democratic Opponent Jamie Harrison in the hotly contested 2020 South Carolina US Senate Race. The former SC Constitution Party candidate changed his party affiliation to Republican at the federal level and is now a fusion candidate in SC, combining the support of both the SC Republican Party and the SC Constitution Party.

So you can't be a conservative racist?

I don't think really that these questions are spurred by racism, but then I didn't think the questions about Obama's birth were racist either.

Racism isn't the problem.

are we revisiting the birther issue ? seriously ?

I answered all the questions way back in the emperor's days

Ineligible Candidate (askmehelpdesk.com)

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Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code Sec 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth":

Anyone born inside the United States
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year

Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

So even if the evidence shows that he was born outside the US and his Hawaii birth certificate was a fraud ;he would still be qualified .

8 U.S.C. § 1401 - U.S. Code Title 8. Aliens and Nationality § 1401 | FindLaw

The 1874 court ruling is not current , The 14th amendment defined it in the Naturalization Clause .

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Nikki Haley was born in Bamberg South Carolina . That made her a citizen at birth.

I am looking at her record . Guv of a state and representative of the US in the UN are all positives . My only real issue is she seems very hawkish .But it is way to early to make determinations . On the Dem box checking she does well . A minority woman would otherwise be a slam dunk in their books .
For now my choice would be DeSantis .

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During a segment on "The View," Goldberg played a clip of Haley calling for a new generation of leadership in Washington, D.C., before saying, "You're not a new generation, you're 51." She took cues from CNN host Don Lemon who was accused last week of making sexist remarks about Haley's age when he said she wasn't in her "prime."

When comparing to octogenarian geezers ,51 is youthful.

I'm looking primarily at DeSantis as well, but Haley is an interesting candidate.

The issue seems to revolve around the "natural born citizen" phrase used in the Constitution. That evidently has been taken to mean that the person must have been born in country to two parents who were citizens at the time of his/her birth. That was not the case with NH.

The constitution was vague . The 14th amendment cleared that up. Federal law is very clear . The birther charges were nonsense in 2008 and they are today.

That being said ; We should revisit the issue due to birth tourism