Varia.


“Godlessness is the reason for mass shootings”. Nonsense.
“Abortion is the cause of mass shootings”. More nonsense.

Shooters quoting Trump is a known cause. The Trump insurrection is a continuing factor in mass violence.



“Ungodliness is the same as a decline in church going”. Still more nonsense.

Mandatory proper training and observation to safely handle guns reduces gun violence. A common sense no-brainer.



“Gun regulation reduces liberty.” Ridiculous.

Similar to the above is crazy Repub Rep Jordan claiming COVID-19 is a freedom and liberty issue. Dr. Faucci says nonsense, it's a public health issue.

(Interesting factoid - The supporters of opposing gun regulation and COVID-19 restrictions are supporters of the Trump insurrrection.)


“True liberty is living in peace with other people without fear” - a good practical definition of liberty.


The increase of violence in media and internet social connections and changes in mental health treatments go a long way to explain mass shootings, not lack of church attendance.


When existing laws are not getting the job done re guns, the solution is to add laws that work, NOT to discard laws.

You could try enforcing existing laws

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If they're not being enforced, I agree.

Hard to enforce a law when the criminals are smarter than the cops. Or when the law is outdated and irrelevant, and lawmakers are incompetent.

Seems you have several problems there and the solution starts with firing the people at the top

We got the top critter. Next election 2022

Can't blame anyone but the current administration. The past demonrat administration was just as ineffective on this problem as Trump was. The rot starts at the top but there are a lot of advisors and sycophants, they need to be fired too

The main thing to consider is we are still a works in progress with much more to be done, even as we remain at the top of the food chain.

Oh and you need to get rid of that attitude

We all could probably stand an attitude adjustment every now and then.

Yes Praise the Lord

Sorry no quick fixes here, but you'll find out as you grow.

The Aussies have peaked . Great Britain was great and is taking the steps to be great again because they choose to be great again . God bless Albion .It starts with breaking free of the EU strait jacket . The Aussies choose to be vassals to a commonwealth. When they are a Republic then we can talk about Aussie greatness.

there were 41 mass shootings under the emperor totaling 236 dead and 257 injured .

The first mass shooting of note in the country occurred in August 1 , 1966 . A gunman climbed the tower at the University of Texas , killing 17 and wounding 30 . It would've been worse but LBJ was in town with his secret service contingent ;and civilians joined forces with campus police to storm the tower . It also helped that a radio broadcaster ;who son was shot and killed ,stayed on the job to warn people to stay away from the tower .

LBJ's administration the next day set the tone that has become the nonsense political response to the crime of murder
White House press secretary Bill Moyers read a statement by the president that said:
"What happened is not without a lesson: that we must press urgently for the legislation now pending in Congress to help prevent the wrong person from obtaining firearms." ...(the ) bill would not prevent all such tragedies. But it would help reduce the unrestricted sale of firearms to those who cannot be trusted in their use and possession."

That is the pabulum we hear have heard from every President since except Reagan and GW Bush who had the good sense to realize that a President's words bout this issue is mostly meaningless rhetoric .

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The Aussies have peaked . Great Britain was great and is taking the steps to be great again because they choose to be great again . God bless Albion .It starts with breaking free of the EU strait jacket . The Aussies choose to be vassals to a commonwealth. When they are a Republic then we can talk about Aussie greatness.

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Anything more than basic friendship between nations you see as "creeping socialism" which you equate to godless communism. Join the 21st century, Tom. All effective modern economies are a mix of socialism and capitalism. An excess of either is not desirable.

Freedom is never absolute. It needs to be properly overseen. That's why we have laws and regulations.

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"What happened is not without a lesson: that we must press urgently for the legislation now pending in Congress to help prevent the wrong person from obtaining firearms." ...(the ) bill would not prevent all such tragedies. But it would help reduce the unrestricted sale of firearms to those who cannot be trusted in their use and possession."

That is the pabulum we hear have heard from every President since except Reagan and GW Bush who had the good sense to realize that a President's words bout this issue is mostly meaningless rhetoric .

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You call it pabulum (sic). Most right thinking people would call it a very wise approach to the problem.

You're right about words not being enough. What is required is effective legislation that the Republicans have answered with words only.

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The Aussies have peaked . Great Britain was great and is taking the steps to be great again because they choose to be great again . God bless Albion .It starts with breaking free of the EU strait jacket . The Aussies choose to be vassals to a commonwealth. When they are a Republic then we can talk about Aussie greatness.



Anything more than basic friendship between nations you see as "creeping socialism" which you equate to godless communism. Join the 21st century, Tom. All effective modern economies are a mix of socialism and capitalism. An excess of either is not desirable.

Freedom is never absolute. It needs to be properly overseen. That's why we have laws and regulations.

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My comments had nothing to do with socialism . It has everything to do with nationalism .But ,as we know ; socialists are very capable at also being nationalists .

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My comments had nothing to do with socialism . It has everything to do with nationalism .But ,as we know ; socialists are very capable at also being nationalists .

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Nationalism doesn't have a very good record. Socialists are the opposite of nationalists - they promote good everywhere, not just in their own country. (Please don't use the Nazis as example of socialism. I don't expect that canard from someone as well-read as you).

There was a so called "assault rifle" ban during Bubba's reign .(The Senate vote was 95-4 ;so it was very much bi-partisan) not a matter of That did not prevent mass killings . In fact the percent of crimes committed using semi-automatic weapons dropped by a meager 17%.

Less than 1 percent of gun deaths are mass shootings. So to focus on them is demagoguery .If 10 people were killed by someone using an "assault weapon", and 10 other people were killed by someone using a standard 9mm pistol, is the first shooting somehow worse than the second?

Instead of the ineffective gun control which mostly punishes law abiding citizens exercising their constitutional rights , we should focus on underlying causes ....mental illness ...illegal drugs ... gang activity ...and the lack of economic and educational opportunities ;especially in Democrat controlled urban centers that could possibly lead someone into a life of crime .

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Instead of the ineffective gun control which mostly punishes law abiding citizens exercising their constitutional rights , we should focus on underlying causes ....mental illness ...illegal drugs ... gang activity ...and the lack of economic and educational opportunities...

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I totally agree! Thus, get counselors and social workers and other professionals involved in and even responding, sans police, to 911 calls, as appropriate.