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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...tical/12729740
Trump claims medicines are miracles from God, clearly he has no idea what a miracle is and I'm wondering how come Hydroxycloroquine didn't keep him safe, that was supposed to be Trump's miracle drug?
Physician historian Jacalyn Duffin has examined Vatican sources on 1400 miracles Overwhelmingly the miracles cited in canonizations between 1588 and 1999 are healings, and the majority entail medical care and physician testimony.
https://www.catholicweekly.com.au/me...s-in-miracles/Quote:
The Church has no difficulty in turning to scientific expertise because it just sees the work of science as part of our work on earth as ordained by God. They see no contradiction in questioning the world and what has happened by asking for scientific testimony along with religious testimony.
Is HC a miracle drug in the fight against the virus? No. If it was, we’d know by now. But it does seem to help in certain cases, such as when administered early to patients with no underlying conditions, or as a prophylactic for front line personnel. The President is old and overweight . So he has 2 underlying issues .
Recent news on HQ confirms it's effectiveness for patients it applies to .https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN26N3F1Quote:
In a series of randomized controlled trials, the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine did not show a statistically significant impact on the prevention or treatment of COVID-19. But when data from five of those trials were combined, researchers found that early use of the drug by people who were not hospitalized yielded a statistically significant 24% reduction in risk of infection, hospitalization or death.
In Michigan, a study of more than 2,500 patients at six Detroit-area hospitals found that HC, administered early, significantly cut the death rate. “Our analysis shows that that using hydroxychloroquine helped save lives,” said Steven Kalkanis, CEO of the Henry Ford Health System. “It needs to be used early,” he added. “It needs to be used in a hospital setting.”
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/...reatment-study
In New York City, researchers with the Mt. Sinai Health System studying more than 6000 patients with Covid-19 found they died at a lower rate when treated with HC. In the study, after adjusting for other risk factors, the Mt. Sinai researchers found that “hydroxychloroquine use was associated with decreased in-hospital mortality.”
https://link.springer.com/article/10...06-020-05983-z
A massive study of more than 300,000 people in India , including front line medical personnel, found that HC provided prophylactic benefits. “The task force of medical experts, including physicians and super specialists, have recommend and backed the drive to administer HC in cluster areas and high exposure cases,” a senior medical official told the Indian Express. “The benefits seem to far outweigh the debate around its risks and it has certainly helped in implementing the preventive strategies.”
https://indianexpress.com/article/in...egins-6486049/
I am glad he is taking Regeneron's antibody cocktail. I have owned stock in Regeneron since it was a start up.
Augustine said that miracles are not contrary to nature .....only to our understanding of nature .
Tom I know this, I have seen miracles, not drug induced cures, for Trump to suggest it is a miracle mocks God and you don't want to do that
God works in mysterious ways....Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
you know what really mocks God . Professing to be a Catholic and then being pro-abortion , (that is of course if that is what Quid believes . He has changed his position multiple times since 1973 ;being dragged along by his party) .
Calling a drug a miracle in contemporary English lexicon is to say that it is a very effective medical treatment that cures very difficult diseases to cure .
I think that's a little over the top. I hear people rather frequently refer to God's providence as "a miracle". They don't intend that to be taken too literally. It's just a way, in many cases, to simply say that ultimately, God is to be praised for their provision.Quote:
for Trump to suggest it is a miracle mocks God and you don't want to do that
Exactly, exactly correct. Thank you for saying it.Quote:
you know what really mocks God . Professing to be a Catholic and then being pro-abortion , (that is of course if that is what Quid believes . He has changed his position multiple times since 1973 ;being dragged along by his party) .
Yes if he saved Trump it is mysterious but then..............................Quote:
Originally Posted by Wondergirl
Trump seems to be knocking himself to become a COVID martyr -- takes unapproved meds, gets out of bed and sits fully dressed and maskless at a desk importantly signing a blank sheet of paper, leaves the hospital for a short drive (in a hermetically sealed SUV, germs wildly floating around inside) so he can wave to anyone who's looking....Quote:
Originally Posted by paraclete
Oh? So you can understand God saving, let's say, YOU, but not Trump? Wow. What a statement. I sincerely hope that surely I misunderstood your comment.Quote:
Yes if he saved Trump it is mysterious but then..............................
I'm sure there are many Christian people praying for Trump, and maybe he will answer them in the affirmative, but let us pray he gives Trump some common sense that would be a miracle. as to Trump, he too can be saved just as all of us can, but it takes true faith in GodQuote:
Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Psalm 52
Oooh
Why do you boast of, evil?
Oh, you mighty men
Why do you boast all of the day
Your ways are disgraceful in the eyes of the Lord
Your tongue plots destruction like a blade
You wallow in deceit
And you love evil more than good
And you love lies
And every harmful word, oh lying tongue
Oooh
Surely God will bring you down to
Everlasting ruin
He will uproot you from the land
Then the righteous, they will see and
They will see and fear
They will laugh at him and they will say
Here is the one
The one who did not make the Lord his strength
But trusted in his wealth
And he grew strong, destroying others
Oooh
But I am like an olive tree
Flourishing in the house of God
I trust in Him, in His unfailing love
And I will praise You evermore
For all the things that You have done
And I will hope, I will hope in Your name
For Your name is good
And I will praise You
And I will sing
In the presence of Your saints
Why does the loony right-wing always refer to pro-CHOICE as pro-abortion? The majority of those who support people choosing abortion for themselves are personally against abortion for THEMselves. They support CHOICE, not ABORTION. Why is the distinction so hard to understand?
'Clete - love that Psalm, I'm a big fan of the Psalms - greatest religious poetry ever composed, maybe best ANY poetry ever.
It's all about "freedom" I think I heard of it spoken once before freedom to live was obliviated by misguided views on what constitutes freedomQuote:
Originally Posted by Athos
yes Athos it is amazing what the Spirit of the Lord comes up with when speaking through men but how David anticipated Trump so accurately we can only put down to god given inspiration
hmm . I would never murder but I approve others rights to choose committing murder . You can't be pro choice without being pro abortion. Pro Choice is the vague term used to justify being pro abortion. “Freedom to choose what ?”
Freedom to CHOOSE to have or to not have an abortion. What is so hard to understand? If pro-choice is vague then so is pro-life.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Your premise is faulty. To most people, abortion is NOT murder. A fetus is not a child for at least two-thirds of the gestation period. That is one of the positions of the pro-choice faction. The pro-choice people understand that the anti-abortion people claim human life begins at conception.
That has been discussed and argued about frequently here. There's no need to hash it all out again with no conclusion in sight that is satisfactory to both sides. Each side has given their point of view.
had to respond when you called my position that of the 'loony right-wing'; and yes I have no intention to rehash it except to respond to your reply . Science is on my side . After birth a human goes through various stages of development baby ,youth ,teen years ,adult elderly etc. We all change. That is true before birth also . A single cell human zygote, or a more developed human embryo, or human fetus is a human being and that's the way they are supposed to look at those particular periods of development.
So where are the prolife policies that come with taking a woman's choice to carry a pregnancy to term? You don't get to walk away from prenatal care and counselling, childcare, schooling, teen issues, and education, or the raising of that child. Saying a woman should have thought of that before she did the deed...with a dude...is an inadequate cop out that belies the responsibility of that life when YOU make a choice to take her responsibility from her. No different than throwing a guy in jail and feeding the fool until he gets out. Humans require it so why make a baby a victim of your neglect after being unwanted in the first place?
The failure to admit you don't want the responsibility either, so it's okay to punish both mother and child is the hypocrisy of the so called pro-life crowd to hide their own deadbeat mentality, and visit it on everybody else. Science is no man made miracle but a discovery of the unknown oft speculated, and the miracle is when you APPLY what has been discovered. That requires education of FACTS and not just feelings which makes it a hot emotional topic.
Not just with the subject of abortions, but treatments and care for human sufferings that the discoverers want compensation for the research and work that was put in, so excluding those that can't pay. It's at that point that economics is introduced is when the disasters occur entirely man made, and the less than ideal outcomes are realized.
Because it is?Quote:
Why does the loony right-wing always refer to pro-CHOICE as pro-abortion?
Why are you "personally" against abortion? Isn't your position kind of like saying you would never torture a dog since you are personally opposed to it, but you don't want to restrict someone else's right to do so?Quote:
The majority of those who support people choosing abortion for themselves are personally against abortion for THEMselves.
Tal, you are basically saying that it's wrong to expect an adult to act like an adult and carry out her responsibilities to the child she became pregnant with. Same thing with the dad. It's the same as saying that we should expect adults to act like children.
You are exactly right. I don't want the responsibility. That's why I'm not the baby's father. And guess what? You don't either. If you did, you would be out there today working to help young moms and doing that with your own money. Saying that you want to force someone other than Tal to do it is not much of a moral position. Saying that the solution is to just kill the little unborn, unwanted bxstard doesn't strike me as a good solution. And THAT, like it or not, is the solution the "pro-choice" side is advocating for.
My response using loony right wing was because you have used Quid, Madmim, Emperor etc., as names of Democrats. I'd just as soon drop the whole insult thing if you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomder55
Good idea.Quote:
I'd just as soon drop the whole insult thing if you will.
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