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  • Sep 12, 2020, 05:42 AM
    tomder55
    Pre-obstruction
    Looks like the Mueller team took a page out of the Evita playbook . Several dozen phones belonging to members of Inspector Javert 's Russia collusion hoax investigation team were wiped out before the Justice Department’s IG was able to review the phones. Congressional Repubs are looking to find out if there was a widespread intentional effort to conceal information from the IG and suggested that the coordinated effort could amount to “anticipatory obstruction of justice.” Sen. Grassley wrote to Barr and and FBI Director Christopher Wray “It appears that Special Counsel Mueller’s team may have deleted federal records that could be key to better understanding their decision-making process as they pursued their investigation and wrote their report . Indeed, many officials apparently deleted the records after the DOJ Inspector General began his inquiry into how the Department mishandled Crossfire Hurricane.”“Based on this new information, the number of times and the stated reasons for the deletions calls into question whether or not it was a widespread intentional effort,”
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-phones-412757
  • Sep 12, 2020, 06:21 AM
    jlisenbe
    I guess they watched as HC got away with it, so it seemed reasonable for them to give it a go. And it will likely turn out that way. I doubt that anything will ever come of it.
  • Sep 13, 2020, 04:27 AM
    talaniman
    Defense against a corrupted DOJ is the likely answer.
  • Sep 13, 2020, 05:06 AM
    jlisenbe
    So they wiped their cell phones clean as a defense against the DOJ? What??!!
  • Sep 13, 2020, 05:19 AM
    talaniman
    Against a CORRUPTED DOJ.
  • Sep 13, 2020, 07:12 AM
    jlisenbe
    Yeah. Right. Mueller's ultra holy band of crusaders had to wipe their cell phones clean to get rid of evidence of their right-doing? Well, if that's your theory, then go for it.
  • Sep 13, 2020, 07:37 AM
    talaniman
    I did, as a corrupted DOJ is hardly a compliment. nor is my opinion they are intentionally incompetent at this point in time.
  • Sep 13, 2020, 07:47 AM
    jlisenbe
    You have no evidence that Trump's DOJ is corrupt. Your hatred of Trump colors all of your opinions of him.
  • Sep 13, 2020, 07:59 AM
    talaniman
    No hatred involved just a deep distrust of the dufus and his ilk, because he lies, cheats and steals and surrounds himself with unsavory sycophants and criminals. Maybe you see it different, but that's okay.
  • Sep 13, 2020, 08:25 AM
    tomder55
    the DOJ was corrupted under the auspice of Mueller and then Comey. Mueller's team is just doing more damage control. The truth is that they knew early in their investigation that there was nothing there . No collusion etc. They kept the investigation going for the sole purpose of trying to entrap Trump into an obstruction of justice case . They failed at that too .
  • Sep 13, 2020, 11:20 AM
    jlisenbe
    Pretty much how it goes. Many accusations, but little evidence.
  • Sep 13, 2020, 03:30 PM
    talaniman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    the DOJ was corrupted under the auspice of Mueller and then Comey. Mueller's team is just doing more damage control. The truth is that they knew early in their investigation that there was nothing there . No collusion etc. They kept the investigation going for the sole purpose of trying to entrap Trump into an obstruction of justice case . They failed at that too .

    You are the best spinner I've ever seen Tom, BARR none! Pun intended.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Pretty much how it goes. Many accusations, but little evidence.

    You mean allegations. Plenty from both sides there.
  • Sep 13, 2020, 03:32 PM
    jlisenbe
    And again. Many accusations with no supporting evidence at all.
  • Sep 13, 2020, 04:08 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    And again. Many accusations with no supporting evidence at all.

    How much has Trump (Trump properties, etc.) profited during his presidency?
  • Sep 13, 2020, 04:10 PM
    jlisenbe
    I don't know. How much? And if they have profited, like most other businesses have, then what is wrong with that?
  • Sep 13, 2020, 04:21 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    I don't know. How much? And if they have profited, like most other businesses have, then what is wrong with that?

    It's illegal for a president of the U.S. to profit while in office. He hasn't separated himself from his companies and has "encouraged" foreign leaders etc. to stay at his resorts. (Pssst, it's an ethics issue.)

    I won't mention how Ivanka, the president's advisor, has been raking in profits.
  • Sep 13, 2020, 04:25 PM
    jlisenbe
    Pretty sure it’s not. It is illegal for any elected official to profit from his or her position, but to profit otherwise is fine. Correct?? If ivanka is making money legally, then why do you seem resentful of that? Are you also resentful of the Obama’s financial success?
  • Sep 13, 2020, 04:40 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Pretty sure it’s not. It is illegal for any elected official to profit from his or her position, but to profit otherwise is fine. Correct?? If ivanka is making money legally, then why do you seem resentful of that? Are you also resentful of the Obama’s financial success?

    The Trump family is making money illegally and unethically while occupying the WH.

    "Donald Trump never really got out of business. Sure, he handed day-to-day management of his companies to his children, like a lot of tycoons who get preoccupied with other interests late in life. But the president held onto ownership of his assets after taking office, ensuring that he would continue to generate money while serving in the White House. From 2017 to 2019, the president’s businesses raked in an estimated $1.9 billion of revenue."
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalex.../#6d08e9be1e13

    Umm, "the Obama's success" is incorrect punctuation. You, Mr. Retired School Principal and Teacher, get an F.
  • Sep 13, 2020, 04:44 PM
    jlisenbe
    How are they making money illegally and unethically?
  • Sep 13, 2020, 04:49 PM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    How are they making money illegally and unethically?

    Read the Forbes article I linked.

    Any correction to your apostrophe error so you can improve your grade?

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