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  • Sep 23, 2017, 10:11 PM
    Athos
    Guest Post On Trump's Strange Ideas About Pro Sports/National Anthem On Twitter...
    ...and an important insight into the mind of this dangerous bigot as evidenced by his comments on Charlottesville compared to his comments on peaceful protests by pro football players where Trump demands the players be fired while praising the "fine people" marching as Nazis, anti-semites, and white supremacists.




    With great regret, I draw to your attention TV’s Donald Trump. The president of the United States. The one Evangelicals and some right-wing Catholics fawn over as if he were the second coming of Christ. The one who took several days to condemn white supremacism, and then almost immediately turned around and said there were fine people on both sides.


    Tonight, he called people who kneel during the National Anthem in order to protest racism SOBs. Only he didn’t use initials, he just said it.

    So, for anyone who’s keeping track, the president thinks we have to be very delicate about white supremacists, assume they have the best of intentions and praise the good on “both sides.” But a man who kneels silently in commemoration of African-American deaths at the hands of police officers gets cussed out in a public speech.

    White people who parade with the flags of the Confederacy and the Third Reich– two regimes which fought wars against the United States and murdered Americans– were treated lightly, but a black person who takes a knee instead of standing to salute the American Flag is called names and ought to be “fired.”


    And listen to the ovation the crowd gave him.

    I don’t think there’s any question that the president is a bigot. He’s always been a bigot. Few have bothered to deny that. What shocks me, though it probably shouldn’t, is just how many people get excited at his racism. Listen to the ovation they gave him for that idiotic remark. Watch him walk around the stage and bask in it.


    This is the country we live in.


    The president went on to say that quietly kneeling during the “Star Spangled Banner” is a “total disrespect of our heritage, a total disrespect of everything we stand for.” But marching around Charlottesville carrying the flags of two of our most famous enemies is too nuanced for him to condemn without hemming and hawing and claiming there were fine people on both sides.


    According to the president, a harmless act of peaceful protest by a black man is disrespect for everything the United States stands for. But white men chanting “Blood and soil,” a chant composed by Nazis who murdered American soldiers and tortured them in prison camps, is too nuanced for him to express a clear opinion about in a timely manner.


    And he received a round of applause.


    This is the history our children and grandchildren are going to read about someday. And they will ask us what stand we took.

    Let me go on the record as condemning the president and everyone who cheered him on.
  • Sep 23, 2017, 11:51 PM
    paraclete
    Rant, rant look we know the man can do no right
  • Sep 24, 2017, 01:50 AM
    Athos
    That is not a rant. That is the absolute truth well-expressed by the writer. It is time for all decent people to stand up and be counted.
  • Sep 24, 2017, 07:01 AM
    paraclete
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    That is not a rant. That is the absolute truth well-expressed by the writer. It is time for all decent people to stand up and be counted.

    Yes well I've already stood up, but it doesn't stop the rot
  • Sep 24, 2017, 10:36 AM
    Athos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Yes well I've already stood up, but it doesn't stop the rot


    When enough stand up, critical mass will be reached and the rot will stop.
  • Sep 24, 2017, 11:05 AM
    talaniman
    The next vote is 2018, vote out those that support this racist! Then vote the racist out in 2020. That's the process.
  • Sep 26, 2017, 01:20 PM
    tomder55
    let me watch football in peace for a few hours . Trump inflamed what was a managable situation . He's no different than when the emperor injected his two cents on race issues picking away at scabs .....completely unnecessary and unhelpful .
  • Sep 26, 2017, 02:13 PM
    smoothy
    Rant rant.. maybe the Canuks don't take their Flag or National Anthem seriously... but we do , particularly when overpaid muscle bound athletes with the collective IQ if 74 are too rude to show some respect. Maybe the Canadian Hockey league needs to follow suit up there, or our guys set down during the Canukistan National Anthem rather than show respect as they have since forever.

    I did it when I played in high school... you would have been kicked off the field and gotten a royal asskicking in the locker room after the game. But then, I didn't grow up in the age of snowflakes and fragile egos... and you showed your respect because it was the right thing to do.
  • Sep 26, 2017, 04:27 PM
    talaniman
    If taking a knee is a respectful way to honor God, why is it not good enough for a flag? Why are we even listening to a racist talking to other racists? The owners and players sent a clear message...SCREW YOU DUFUS!
  • Sep 27, 2017, 02:58 AM
    tomder55
    Quote:

    If taking a knee is a respectful way to honor God, why is it not good enough for a flag? Why are we even listening to a racist talking to other racists? The owners and players sent a clear message...SCREW YOU DUFUS!
    Unfortunately there is merit in this statement only because the issue became Trump . The fact is that the NFL should've nipped this garbage in the bud a long time ago. They allowed a has been QB create this instead of smacking him down the 1st time he did it . This is not a free speech issue as the lefties keep on parroting . The players are on the owner's field wearing the owner's uniform ,getting paid by the owners to play football and follow team and league rules and guidelines .

    It's too bad that the league is inconsistent in enforcing it's rules .
    When the Cowboys players wanted to wear a patch in honor of the cops assassinated in Dallas during a BLM event ,the league refused permission .But they allow political demonstration by the players during the National Anthem When RG3 dared to wear a tee shirt that said "Know Jesus Know Peace " during a post game presser ,he was forced to turn it inside out before he continued the Q &A . When Kaepernick wore socks that depicted police as pigs the league did nothing .

    This is not hurting the players in the pocket book so there is no consequences to them . It is hurting the teams plenty by allowing this nonsense to continue . Let the players take their protest out to the public square where it belongs ...... or better yet ;put their money where their mouth is and go into the communities and attempt to improve police community relations and perhaps work on the prevention of black on black crime. So far ,just this month there have been 24 murders in Chi-town alone.
  • Sep 27, 2017, 04:58 AM
    talaniman
    Kaepernick lost his job, and is effectively blacklisted in the NFL, so he has paid a price, and has put his money where his mouth is before and since, in very quiet ways under the radar.

    Colin Kaepernick Wins MVP of NFLPA Weekly Community Award | TMZ.com

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/...preads-n641886

    Dufus is very strategic in throwing the red meat to his followers in Alabama, home of Jeff Sessions, who seeks to roll back the gains the DOJ had made to bridge the gap between the black community and GOOD cops, for his return to strict law and order, which is nothing more than oppression, and suppression of minorities who have borne the brunt of institutional racist tactics for many decades under mob boss Daley, and if Dufus can be an idiot on the peoples time then Americans should be as free to exercise their own rights on the bosses time.

    Kaepernick paid the consequences for his actions, but when will The Dufus? The process will demand it soon enough. Most of us see through his distractions and braggadocio, and resist, while he continues to coddle the hoodwinked desperate for a hug right wing, who long for those good old days that were a NIGHTMARE for minorities.
  • Sep 27, 2017, 08:37 AM
    Wondergirl
    Quote:

    The players are on the owner's field wearing the owner's uniform ,getting paid by the owners to play football
    I thought it was the other way around. The owners see the players' talent, and because of that, the owners contract the players to make money for the owners, money that the owners wouldn't have otherwise.
  • Sep 27, 2017, 09:01 AM
    talaniman
    Not to mention the tax payer funded sport stadiums, WG.
  • Sep 27, 2017, 07:26 PM
    tomder55
    He's not blacklisted . He sucks at the NFL game. He and Tebow were the product of a gimmic college system that NFL defenses have figured out ;and is no longer effective for more than an occasional change of pace play or 2 .
  • Sep 27, 2017, 07:34 PM
    tomder55
    Quote:


    1. I thought it was the other way around. The owners see the players' talent, and because of that, the owners contract the players to make money for the owners, money that the owners wouldn't have otherwise.
      1. Not to mention the tax payer funded sport stadiums, WG.

    The players come and go .They are EMPLOYEES and there is no 1st amendment freedom of speech protection in the employer /employee relationship. I keep on hearing that it is a free speech issue .but only someone who has not read the 1st amendment could make such an argument . Our freedom is from Congress making laws prohibiting freedom of speech. You have no such protection in the work place .
    Tal businesses being rent seekers and municipalities stupid enough to offer tax incentives are nothing new. That in no way makes public ownership of the business or the place it operates . Only Green Bay has public ownership of it's team.
  • Sep 27, 2017, 07:48 PM
    Wondergirl
    So then the players quit.
  • Sep 28, 2017, 04:54 AM
    talaniman
    Trumps message was clear. He was telling the white owners to get control of their boys. Your message is also clear Tom, the boss decides what your rights are. What is this? Contract slavery? Is this what makes America great again, when the boss controls every aspect of your life?

    Why don't you say it clearly and loudly, the boss has no rules and rules anyway he pleases. Then tell me how your authoritarian capitalist are any different than the communist ones, or the socialists ones?

    Nice going Alabama electing an extreme right wing theocrat, who is against the constitution, to run in your senate race. He didn't even know what DACA was when asked by the press. The perfect liberal nightmare that Trump and the GOP must support.
  • Sep 28, 2017, 07:42 AM
    Athos
    Not mentioned here (or rarely elsewhere) is Trump's abject failure in the early 80s as he tried to create the USFL competing with the NFL. He failed bigly and took down the other USFL owners with himself walking out unscathed. Except for the memory of being rejected by the NFL. As always, he holds that grudge to this day and that explains his (now common) bizarre behavior over the kneeling.

    Same as his ingrained grudge against Obama for Obama's humiliation of Trump at the WH Correspondent's Dinner. If Obamacare was named Platypuscare, Trump wouldn't give a damn. He is absolutely clueless about what's in ANY of the Repub healthcare bills. When he said today that "We have the votes to pass the repeal and replace bill", it was one of his more incredible bald-faced lies. The whole world knows the bill was pulled from voting because they DID NOT HAVE the votes!!!

    Tragically, when he finally got around to acknowledging the disaster in Puerto Rico, he congratulated himself on the "great" job he was doing. Really "great", he repeated.

    What he should do, but he won't, is send the 82nd Airborne down there to establish martial law, followed by those huge cargo planes to paradrop the generators, food, and water. This can be done within 24 hours. Then send the 101st. The Republicans would probably say that's socialism.

    But all he can do is refuse to waive the Jones Act which prevents non-US ships from entering Puerto Rico's harbors. After the world-wide outrage this caused, and probably a good kick in the a** from Kelly, he finally did waive the act. What a disgrace!!!!!
  • Sep 28, 2017, 08:23 AM
    talaniman
    It's outrageous he pats himself on the back, while I watch needed supplies sitting on a dock not doing anyone any good at all. It's a logistics nightmare, but where are the people to get the goods where they can do some good NOW?

    In other news, Facebook has revealed Russian actors targeted Americans for fake news. If you have been keeping up let me ask is coordination with the Trump campaign to far fetched for even the smallest brain? Or are those thousands of ads part of a hoax?
  • Sep 28, 2017, 09:33 AM
    Athos
    Also on Facebook was the Russians targeting ads to Baltimore and Ferguson as though they were BLACK LIVES MATTER (BLM) and subtly suggesting that blacks would be violent against whites. That explains the large outcry by whites against BLM calling them terrorists and murderers. BLM constantly denied the charges and now we know who was responsible.

    The Russian connection gets deeper every day.

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