Amazing ...with a virtual monopoly on media ,the left still sees a need to censor those they disagree with .

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/o...ttesville.html

Meanwhile ,a statue of Joan of Arc was vandalized in New Orleans . Evidently the American Taliban thought it was a Confederate era statue .

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Amazing ...with a virtual monopoly on media ,the left still sees a need to censor those they disagree with .

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/o...ttesville.html

Meanwhile ,a statue of Joan of Arc was vandalized in New Orleans . Evidently the American Taliban thought it was a Confederate era statue .

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More likely it was because it had Christian connotations, a target of opportunity

Trump is a racist, and throwing names at his those that oppose him won't work. Conflating an op ed in a newspaper by an individual with a tribe in Afghanistan and mislabeling it will not work. Saying vandalism is the same as left wing politics is like me calling you a member of the KKK.

Go cry victim somewhere else, and stop exaggerating. Woe is YOU?

it's not just any tribe . it is a tribe that uses intimidation and violence when they can't get the law to change quickly enough in their favor. That tribe destroyed ancient statues of Budda . Lefty mobs defaced Joan of Arc thinking she was a Confederate symbol. You don't see the similarity ?

Do you agree that free speech should be restricted to select groups that you oppose ? Tell me when does it end ? Book burnings ? Your freedom to express your thoughts on AMHD or other forums you don't approve of ?

Oh I know you've been indoctrinated to accept that at an institution of higher learning . But you should be outraged that the liberal rag you consider the gospel would suggest the ACLU abandon it's principled defense of free speech.

I find it fascinating that an OP-Ed has you quaking in your boots. Love to see the picture of you trying to drink coffee with your hands shaking at the thought the sky is falling.

(UN)fortunately for you the Taliban is the law in their parts of the country they control, but you shouldn't compare the US and it's politics to Afghanistan and their politics. Stop scaring YOURSELF, but I guess that's what righties do and obviously it doesn't take much. I mean you guys are the ones that thought a Clinton loss was happy days are here again, so let me ask why you ain't happy?

Didn't you get what you wanted? A business guy in the white house with a repub controlled congress, and a conservative majority SCOTUS! Go ahead, bend the knee and chant HEIL TRUMP!

I would love to see that picture too! 8)

OH! Before I forget Afghanistan is the perfect example of a weak central government and the states do what they want, which you have said that's what you guys want in the US. REALLY?

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OH! Before I forget Afghanistan is the perfect example of a weak central government and the states do what they want, which you have said that's what you guys want in the US. REALLY?

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You should think about Afghanistan, Tal, and realise that what is going on is the people opposing the puppet government and would be democracy you put in place, The Taliban are religiously motivated and oppose what you have done for both ethnic and religious reasons. If your people had more spine they might oppose the weak central government in the same way, but the availability of weapons to the other side keeps them in check. I expect your freedom to own weapons has a purpose after all

You should read up on things Clete before you go spouting off. >delete the rest of the personal insult.< Google can be your friend.

It's OK Tal you don't like the truth in small doses, the left is always in denial, but you can't insult me, I know the truth, my father fought against the communists in unions and so I have been aware from childhood of the tactics of the left.

You speak about what I want in the US, what I want is for you to attend to your own affairs and stop stirring up trouble else where, but you can't help yourselves. The sad fact isn't that you have developed a better system, because you haven't, but that you seek to develop and grow your empire.

We are alike in our racists democracies.

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But Tal ours isn't a racist democracy, we have minorities, but they represent very small proportions of the population. Some of our minorities are indigenous, some are migrant. For the most part we try to help the indigenous but some cling to stone age and tribal ways, others are just displaced and as such lack the wisdom of their elders, unskilled; they are unemployable because we have no tradition of household service as you might. We don't have problems of the same magnitude as you do. A truly black face is a rarity here even among indigenous, you would have to travel to the far north. There is very little real poverty here but there are people at the margins, mainly those employed in low paying jobs, earning hardly more than a minimum wage.

It is true our approach to the indigenous in the past centuries could have been considered a form of apartheid but not to tread them down but being unable to understand how to integrate such people. Few truly accept our education system, our value system and they are victims of the welfare syndrome. They were a hunter gatherer people and that skill set isn't needed in our society. Aboriginal society before european arrival could have been considered a primitive communist society, there was no land ownership, they shared everything in common, and this brought them into conflict with europeans, Yes, as such, those europeans behaved in a racist manner

I only had to change a few of YOUR words, to express my own opinion.


"But Clete we have minorities, but they represent very small proportions of the population. Some of our minorities are Indians, some are migrant, and some were slaves. For the most part we try to help the Indians but some cling to stone age and tribal ways, others are just displaced and as such lack the wisdom of their elders, unskilled; they are unemployable because we have no tradition of household service as you might. We don't have problems of the same magnitude as you do. There is very little real poverty here but there are people at the margins, mainly those employed in low paying jobs, earning hardly more than a minimum wage.

It is true our approach to the Indians in the past centuries could have been considered a form of apartheid but not to tread them down but being unable to understand how to integrate such people. Few truly accept our education system, our value system and they are victims of the welfare syndrome. They were a hunter gatherer people and that skill set isn't needed in our society. Indians before european arrival could have been considered a primitive communist society, there was no land ownership, they shared everything in common, and this brought them into conflict with europeans, Yes, as such, those europeans behaved in a racist manner."

Like I said RACIST democracies both. It doesn't take much to be in conflict with Europeans who have decided to conquer the land and assimilate it's people does it? Europe itself is evolving though, as are many other countries, messy and bloody as it is.

The point is all humans are as capable of as much good as they are capable of much evil. No country is at the perfect union state yet. Not us, not you. It is what it is.

I would add Tal I think we are further down the road of a perfect union, if such could be achieved, than you are. We have not needed two civil wars to birth our nation, so some of the ethos of the aboriginal must have leaked out, but one thing is sure, the ethos of each according to his ability to each according to his need could not take root there

Maybe you are further along at this point in your existence than we were, but we still grow, and thrive, despite what we've been through. If you get your teats in a wringer though, just give us a call, we have experience in overcoming obstacles.

Keep the whiskey handy, you may need it

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I'll reach for it the next time Kim or Malcolm gives Donald a hard time

In that case keep PLENTY of whiskey handy.

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I won't worry Donald is now blind from looking into the eclipse, so he won't see those fake news articles

He sees what he wants, and hears what he wants anyway so you will never notice a difference. When his mouth is making noise it's a LIE!

Yes well apparently he will go back on a campaign promise and attack Afghanistan, he has to attack someone else how does he demonstrate his power, I expect he doesn't know where to find those taliban of yours

He obviously is listening to his generals which is entirely appropriate, but he also would seek to offset military expenses with economic development, whatever that means since all they have are poppy's and VERY rich mineral deposits and since the military isn't in the mining business, then he would have to hire someone outside the military, which are already bookoo HUGE for profit multinational corporations. Wonder how that would work for "offsetting" military expenses?

Maybe he will elaborate at tonight rant in Phoenix amongst his diehards. They may not ask him about that though, but hopefully the congress will. I actually meant rally in reference to tonights' event, but a Trump rally, and rant, have the same meaning. Maybe another episode of the "Trump Show" would be more accurate.

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He obviously is listening to his generals which is entirely appropriate, but he also would seek to offset military expenses with economic development, whatever that means since all they have are poppy's and VERY rich mineral deposits and since the military isn't in the mining business, then he would have to hire someone outside the military, which are already bookoo HUGE for profit multinational corporations. Wonder how that would work for "offsetting" military expenses?

Maybe he will elaborate at tonight rant in Phoenix amongst his diehards. They may not ask him about that though, but hopefully the congress will. I actually meant rally in reference to tonights' event, but a Trump rally, and rant, have the same meaning. Maybe another episode of the "Trump Show" would be more accurate.

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Yes I thought his double talk on the subject enlightening, particularly the change in attitude towards Pakistan. I think Donald gets it, Pakistan has been playing a double game, milking the US while supporting the Taliban and let us not forget who started the game back in the eighties. I see this as Donald finding a way to dump Pakistan, or at least appear to do so.