If I hadn't seen this with my own eyes, I never would have believed it.

That idiot lowlife moron in the WH sank to new depths today by BLAMING OBAMA FOR THE DEATH OF OTTO WARMBIER. Otto, as many know, was the young man returned by North Korea the other day after that criminal regime imprisoned and tortured the 21-year-old for a year for the prank of stealing a poster.

Yesterday, Trump congratulated himself for obtaining the release of Otto (without a scintilla of proof). Then, as an afterthought, commented on the young man's poor condition.

Today, upon learning of Otto's death, this evil man Trump said, "It was good that THIS ADMINISTRATION was able to reunite Otto with his family for his final hours." Or something very close to that. He continued, "It should have been done a LONG TIME AGO". (Read - by Obama). "And then maybe he WOULDN'T HAVE DIED." !!!!!!!!!!!

The TV cable people were unanimous (except FOX, of course) in saying Trump clearly blamed Obama for the death of Otto Warmbier. They were 100% RIGHT !! For once, I agreed totally with the talking heads.

Even I was shocked at how low this nutcase would go in using a tragic situation to blow his own horn and condemn the Obama administration.

Really now.. the MORON I saw doing that on libtard News (CBS) was Einsteins Father. And how would this be Trumps responsibility when EINSTEIN was jailed a year and a half ago... long before the election.

It takes a special kind of stupid to go to North Korea on your own...for any reason.

His father certainly agrees with Trump .
Otto Warmbier’s father lashes out at Obama: Did his administration do enough? - TODAY.com

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Originally Posted by tomder55

His father certainly agrees with Trump .
Otto Warmbier’s father lashes out at Obama: Did his administration do enough? - TODAY.com

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Yes, I'm aware of that. Mr. Warmbier, being the boy's father and having been intensely involved since day one, has every right to air his grievances about what the US did or did not do in this case.

Trump dirtied the waters by gratuitously involving himself with his false expression of concern for the son and taking credit for gaining his release.

Compounding his heartlessness was using the death to advance his anti-Obama agenda.

I disagree with them both. Warmbiers death is ENTIRELY on North Korea. I can understand a father's grief, and even Trumps reaction. It's a sad and tragic thing we all are going through, but if NK has so little disregard for it's own people, expecting humane treatment of anyone else is totally insane.

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Warmbiers death is ENTIRELY on North Korea.

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Of course, it is !! Only Trump thinks otherwise. (I excuse the father). My guess is Trump doesn't have a clue what to do about North Korea. His tweets re China's role are pathetic. By blaming Obama, he takes some of the pressure off himself by avoiding directly confronting the NK madman over this situation.

It's politics, that is what politicians, particularly inept ones, do, take the qudos and assign the blame

Can we agree that “strategic patience ” is a failed policy ? JF Kerry's great diplomacy was to tell the family to stay quiet .

But I can't say all their efforts to rescue Americans were unsuccessful . The emperor and Kerry got some Iranian Americans freed for a plane full of cash . And they secured the release of Bergdahl in exchange for 5 high ranking Taliban jihadists from GITMO . WTG !!!!!!

We'll see Trump's mettle now . If it were me ,I'd order the covert sinking of a NORK sub.
I'd at very least put action to the emperor's vacuous words .

"Argue with people ,get in their face. If they bring a knife to the fight ,we bring a gun".

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"Argue with people ,get in their face. If they bring a knife to the fight ,we bring a gun"

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And if they bring a gun we bring a bomb, etc, etc, its is called MAD for a reason

no it is called deterrence ,and it only works if one is willing to back it up.

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no it is called deterrence ,and it only works if one is willing to back it up.

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Nuclear weapons have only deterred the use of nuclear weapons it has not deterred war

and nuclear weapons have only been deterred because there were rational people in charge to make the call. Now we have apocalyptic 12ers close to getting them and a family of interbred nut jobs who would murder an American student for stealing a poster . My honest assessment is that war is inevitable against them ;and we will look back at this period with the same regret that we do now when studying; with perfect 20/20 hindsight,the events of the mid-1930s .

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Otto Warmbier passed away on Monday. He was 22. The University of Virginia student’s last days were anything but peaceful.

He was released just last week by the North Korean regime, where he was held in captivity for 17 months for the alleged “crime” of trying to bring home a propaganda poster as a souvenir from his ill-considered trip to the hermit kingdom. In captivity, Warmbier was apparently beaten. When the DPRK released him to the surprise of American authorities, it was likely because his captors had taken Warmbier’s corporal punishments too far. He was unresponsive to commands, and his family described him as appearing “uncomfortable” and “anguished.” He soon succumbed to his injuries.

Warmbier’s death at the hands of a criminal regime is perhaps the most vicious crime directed against an American citizen by DPRK authorities since two U.S. officers were murdered by an axe-wielding mob on the de-militarized zone between South and North Korea in 1976. This is an offense to American dignity and sovereignty—and it is proving a revealing moment in American politics. Warmbier’s capture and his fate have exposed again the utter moral perversion of the social justice left.

It wasn’t the extrajudicial nature of Warmbier’s capture that caught the attention of the liberal commentary class. Nor was it the triviality of his supposed “crime.” In fact, the only thing that appeared to intrigue some influential members of the identity-obsessed left was Warmbier’s background.

“It’s just tough for me to have much sympathy for this guy and his crocodile tears,” said former Comedy Central host Larry Wilmore amid what was billed as a comedic monologue on his now-cancelled show in March 2016. He noted that, according to reporting, Warmbier had committed the “international crime” of poster stealing as part of an initiation into his UVA fraternity. “You’ve got to read the fine print on your American frat bro warranty,” Wilmore noted mockingly. “It says, ‘Frat Bro Privilege not valid in totalitarian dystopias.’”

It’s not easy for an American to offer himself up to the regime in Pyongyang as a bargaining chip. It takes considerable effort to be that reckless. Wilmore’s invocation of Warmbier’s “privilege” is, in this instance, inadvertently telling. Wilmore was cautious, but the adoring write up of his remarks in Salon was less coded. “This might be America’s biggest idiot frat boy,” University of Virginia’s fraternity system is the source of much progressive angst. That angst motivated the serial fabulist Sabrina Rubin Erdely to publish a fictional account of a gang rape initiation system at the frat—a piece that subsequently cost her former publication, Rolling Stone“Privilege” is how social-justice advocates describe those who they think should be found guilty under a Rawlsian ideal of distributive justice. So what made Warmbier so deserving of his captivity and mistreatment at the hands of a famously brutal Stalinist regime? Huffington Post blogger La Sha was more direct than Wilmore in March 2016: his heritage. Specifically, his “white male privilege.”

In Sha’s estimation, the accidents of Warmbier’s birth afforded him a “shield” from justice in the United States. His heterosexuality, white skin color, and male genitalia rendered him functionally above the law. “That kind of reckless gall is an unfortunate side effect of being socialized first as a white boy, and then as a white man in this country,” In fact, it’s not rare for North Korea to take American citizens hostage, but they are often of Korean heritage. There are three Americans of Korean origin in Pyongyang’s clutches right now, in fact. The author of this deluded, bigoted rant makes no effort to understand the conditions in North Korea. Why should she? Her appeals to identity politics and the historical grievances she invokes are enough for her baseless opinion to be taken seriously and published in a national political blog.

This horrifying zest to attack this young adult, now just another victim of a totalitarian and criminal state, has exposed social justice for what it is: the precise opposite of objective justice. There is no theory of justice, no school of thought that would justify the treatment to which Warmbier was subjected. There was nothing just about his ordeal. Those who would excuse the regime’s conduct, even going so far as to adopt its language (the grave “international crime” of poster theft) have abdicated all moral authority. And for what? The base pleasure of pleasing a mob that lusts for the blood of those with certain characteristics adopted at birth—characteristics they happen to resent. That’s not justice. It’s prejudice.

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https://www.commentarymagazine.com/p...-justice-left/

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and nuclear weapons have only been deterred because there were rational people in charge to make the call. Now we have apocalyptic 12ers close to getting them and a family of interbred nut jobs who would murder an American student for stealing a poster . My honest assessment is that war is inevitable against them ;and we will look back at this period with the same regret that we do now when studying; with perfect 20/20 hindsight,the events of the mid-1930s .

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So, if I'm reading you correctly, you think a preemptive strike is the way to go? Can I remind you where that policy took us the last time, we are still fighting that war. Surely, a nation as sophisticated as the US, has the ability to cut off the head of the snake

No what I am saying is that violations of agreements /treaties etc. are red lines .Had the French responded in 1936 to the remilitarization of the Rhineland ,Hitler had already given orders to retreat . Hitler wrote

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The forty-eight hours after the march into the Rhineland were the most nerve-racking in my life. If the French had then marched into the Rhineland we would have had to withdraw with our tails between our legs, for the military resources at our disposal would have been wholly inadequate for even a moderate resistance.

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Emboldened ,Hitler became convinced of his infallibility in a way that he not been before.

Tom NK has just pulled the tail of the tiger testing him, there was no retreat but no territory was under threat. NK is not about to march into Alaska. If NK attacks SK then there will be conflict, but I doubt Un is mad even if he is a meglomaniac, He must be aware of the size and capability of the forces opposing him. Hitler gambled and won, for Un to do the same he invites massive retaliation

Was Otto Warmbier an American Student or an Israeli Spy?

that is quite a leap of logic . He frequents a bagel shop. Therefore he is an Israeli spy ? smh

Well of course all those Israeli spies in New York frequent bagel shops, and what would esponaige do if it couldn't acquire some propaganda posters? This is stupid, suggesting some misguided youth is a spy, what could he possibly learn about NK that isn't known already. If NK thought he was a spy they would have shot him, instead they held a show trial to demonstrate how stupid their enemies are

I have to jump in here because something truly important was brought up. Bagels.

They don't make 'em like they used to. Back in the day, those Italian, German and Jewish mom and pop bakeries made bagels to die for. I'm reliably informed they dipped the product in TWO water baths as part of the process. When Wonder bread and its ilk bought out the old bakeries, they skipped one water bath to increase profit margins. Hence, we got packaged/frozen bagels today in the stores. Lender's et al.

HEY, you could look it up !!

Ok, back to nuclear war.