Brexit? Should Great Britain leave the European Union?

Britons don't like bureaucracy and the EU is bureaucracy on steroids. It could be thought that the EU is Germany's revenge for losing the war. The Britons don't like the straight jacket but have reaped economic rewards. Britain has not embraced currency union, or the very liberal immigration of the EU, so there is good reason to put up the barriers. Parts of the UK have become muslim enclaves. Now faced the prospect of hordes from the south, Britain must decide

No, I don't believe it should happen. But we will know tomorrow. Muslim enclaves are every where, clete, not only the UK.

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Originally Posted by tickle

No, I don't believe it should happen. But we will know tomorrow. Muslim enclaves are every where, clete, not only the UK.

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Indeed we even have them here, though not to the same extent as Britain. I think the British people should follow their own destiny,
Otherwise they might be like the original people of Britain and cease to exist

Personally I think Britain would be smart to leave, they were Very smart to keep their own currency.

ITALY for example was far better off before it, prices doubled overnight after adoption, wages didn't.

Except for the lazy segment of the population (who we have a name for here, "popolino, or popolini for plural), most Italians I know wish the EU never existed. What is happening now is Germany, Belgium and to a lesser degree France is imposing their will on the rest, and they aren't very happy about it.

Yes, we have a name for the lazy segement of the population too, but I'm not allowed to use it. Yes, it is clear the Belgians won the peace and the Germans have the muscle. I'm completely lost as to how Britain could have got into bed with traditional enemies but then the poms always were a funny lot, so a couple of generations on, I can see they would want to change

Britain benefits from being part of a larger trading/social block, and why they would think that sovereignty is more important is beyond me, considering especially the times and shared enemies in the form of criminal terrorists, and the need to cooperate, rather than separate.

Economically can Britain even compete with Russia and China without the EU, or Asia for that matter?

Do you really have any idea how big the Russian economy is? It is not a superpower economically. Our GDP is almost bigger than theirs. Britain has the fifth largest GDP in the world so is more than a match for many others. No one competes with China.

Obviously Britain would be better off for a number of reasons, it would no longer be stiffled by EU policy

I respectfully submit it's the British reluctance to more influence the EU monetary policy that weakens them both. Their participation thus far can only be characterized as half a$$ at best, and the EU is more dependent on Russia and China than they are Britain, despite the problems with both their economies.

Ranks don't matter when they are all just puddling along at less than half speed. That's what's painfully obvious, as the cost of doing business as an independent will be a lot more expensive without the group rate. That too is OBVIOUS!

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Originally Posted by paraclete

Indeed we even have them here, though not to the same extent as Britain. I think the British people should follow their own destiny,
Otherwise they might be like the original people of Britain and cease to exist

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And how did the original people of Britain cease to exist ? I don't understand what you are saying here. Can you explain.

Long ago before various invasions from europe and beyond, the inhabitants of Britain were a different lot, more like the people of Ireland but in England and in other places the inhabitants were oppressed and hunted down. Those invaders included romans, angles, saxons, jutes, danes, normans, vikings where is someone who can point to being pure indigenous english

A day that has shaken world stock markets and reset the world economic scene. Britain will leave the EU, and the possibility is that the EU will not survive. A victory for conservative forces and a smack up the head with a wet fish for socialism. Germany can now decide what it will do with all its new migrants

They were going to do that anyway regardless, and in truth that (Immigration fears) and the sluggish European economy is what fuels this secession and over the next two years the trade deals will be renegotiated as well as WHO implements the new rules and deals for Britain since the present British PM is out in the next few months and Trumps birther brother, the mayor of London is the one who likely succeeds him.

This drama is just getting started and for sure the angry nuts will crawl out of the woodwork and reek even more economic chaos than before.

This is the rise of nationalism again, we have seen it in the UK, we have seen it in the US, and we will see much more of it. Free trade is an illusion, there are costs of multinationalism and we have seen it in the dismantling of industries. The relentless drive for efficiencies have left out the human component. What price a Texit, Tal?

A lot of this is a direct result of the leftists welcoming these illegals who have no concept of a democracy and don't have western values buying votes with free stuff the working taxpayer's are forced to pay for to skew future elections, I've been seeing this same thing happen in Italy, where the only people welcoming them are the socialists and the communists, and they are doing it for that reason the same way Democrats in the USA are turning a blind eye, or worse defending and helping the illegals here.

Everyone else is fed up and disgusted, and this is the first battle in the war to take back control of our own countries from those who will destroy the fabric of our communities, and those who refuse to assimilate to their host country. And worse, continue their jihad in the name of their religion in the countries they moved to.

Our ancestors assimilated, it's in our right to expect the same from those who come here.

Rant over... just wanted to point out there are a LOT of people disgusted about the lack of action by both parties to kick out everyone who broke our laws and came here illegally.

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Originally Posted by paraclete

This is the rise of nationalism again,

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Hello clete:

It's true.. But, nationalism comes in 3 flavors. Which one are you?

a) A nationalist who LOVES his country, wants the best for it, and thinks everybody should want the best for their country too,

b) A nationalist who LOVES his country, wants the best for it, but at another country's expense,

c) A nationalist who LOVES his country and wants the best for it because he's a superior race..


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Originally Posted by talaniman

the mayor of London is the one who likely succeeds him..

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No, not the new Mayor. It will probably be Boris Johnson.

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Originally Posted by tickle

No, not the new Mayor. It will probably be Boris Johnson.

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In fact it was a shame you mentioned Sadiq Khan and Trump in the same breath ! Sadiq Khan is a very well educated, sophisticated muslim and not comparable with Trump at all.

We all have to stay tuned to this multifaceted referendum because now, as I hear, Scotland wants to stay in the EU. It is their pregrogative of course, and I am sure they will do anything they can to make this interesting. Any takers... maybe para can give us his opinion of the gaelic opinion.

This guy... you know Trumps brother!

Boris Johnson: U.K.'s next prime minister?

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Originally Posted by tickle

We all have to stay tuned to this multifaceted referendum because now, as I hear, Scotland wants to stay in the EU. It is their pregrogative of course, and I am sure they will do anything they can to make this interesting. Any takers... maybe para can give us his opinion of the gaelic opinion.

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From the time I spent in Scotland I know it was a bitter disppointment for the scots to have lost the earlier referendum on soveriegnty but I think resurrgence now is pure opportunism. So the vote didn't go your way? What it demonstrates is that a very big majority of the other residents of GB were in favour of exit and that the minorities weren't. Maybe the Scots could take a leaf out of Trump's book and rebuild Hadrian's Wall. I haven't yet heard from relatives in Ireland as to what they think but the IRA must be giving thanks that Northern Ireland will want to join Eire at last and it shows you didn't need a gun after all. Any depressed and repressed area would want to stay in the EU