I am on a random screen (once every 2 weeks). I am currently drinking 2-3 times a week, never more than three beers in a day. I read this in one of Dr. Bill's posts:

"It has been known for over 5 years that the test (ETG) is completely ineffective for use in total abstinence programs due to the inability to detect limited drinking for even 24 hours. Yet promotion continues for that purpose.

I call in the morning and can take my test as late as 8pm the day of (so always 24 hours or more).

What are the odds of detection in this scenario both ETG and other urine tests?

It is high that you'll test positive at some point. There is a way to cheat and pass all the tests, it takes a little self control and a LOT of support from friends, family, and even anonymous alcoholics, it is to not drink. Do that and this is all moot. Look I know you've had this imposed on you for whatever reason and I am REALLY trying not to be judgemental but that is the best way to just pass the tests. If not, make peace with whatever might come if you fail because you will at some point.

The success rates of AA are abysmal. I'm not interested in abstinence. I am interested in someone with actual knowledge of efficacy of tests and not tired dogma.

Passing required tests for alcohol is work on YOUR part and when your freedom and future is on the line and dependent on those test results, you better do everything you can to comply and pass. Take chances at your own risk and reliable tests or NOT, eventually you get caught, and pay the price. Thats not dogma, just FACTS.

It's entirely up to you what you do with those facts.

No , Sherlock. That was the whole point of the question, to assess the risk with a better understanding of the test. I'm not interested in abstinence.

This site will NOT assist is circumnavigation of any legitimate testing regime.
Man up and take what is coming to you,

It is not circumnavigation to try and understand what a test will register. I'm not trying to falsify results.

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No , Sherlock. That was the whole point of the question, to assess the risk with a better understanding of the test. I'm not interested in abstinence.

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The test is for alcohol levels in your system. You want the scientific basis for the test GOOGLE.

ETG Alcohol Testing - Drug Testing Network

It's like any other test, be prepared and do your homework, chances are you pass.

ETG is for a byproduct of alcohol, not the alcohol itself. I can Google too. That link is non specific. How much drinking creates ETG? If you consume small amounts is there less or does the body produce the same amount regardless of intake? How can I understand the time horizon?

You may not be interested in total abstinence but it appears for whatever reason you are expected to stay sober. Your drinking and attempts at 'understanding' the test sound like you are trying to circumvent the test.

Right now you appear to be trusted since the testing is once every two weeks. What happens if they think you aren't being clean or truthful? What happens if someone gets upset with you and lets someone with some authority know you have been drinking? What happens if they decide that they are going to surprise you and you don't get the 24 hours? Or you have contact with or ingest more alcohol than you realize and fail?

This isn't about what you want. It is about what is required of you. You may want to drink, but apparently you are required to refrain. If you can't or don't want to, then maybe there is more of an issue than you are admitting to yourself.

By the way, no program works if the person doesn't want to change.

The time horizon is different for every individual, that's why you deal in ranges. Each human brings different factors to the table, height, weight, health, habits, and environments.

60-80 hours is a standard range for most human metabolisms to eliminate alcohol. Some fall higher, some fall lower.

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The success rates of AA are abysmal. I'm not interested in abstinence. I am interested in someone with actual knowledge of efficacy of tests and not tired dogma.

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It's kind of like a sewer, you get out of it what you put in.

So you're expected to be sober, logically derived from the fact of being randomly tested, but you don't want to be sober. The problem here is that you want to know enough about the test so that you can reliably drink without testing positive for Alcohol. You don't want to stop even though you've agreed to not drink.

Selfish.

Regardless, ETG is a FAEE that is produced as a by product of nonoxidative metabolism of Alcohol. You when consume alcohol, it is metabolism in two ways, oxidative and nonoxidative. The first converts alcohol into acetate and acetaldehyde when go into the TCA cycle to be turned into energy as normal TIGs are. The non-oxidative is where you get into trouble because that is were various FAEE are made. These FAEE are what is looked for in the test, Specifically ETG and ETS.

Google the test. Take a university level biochemistry course so that you can understand the papers that have been done on the test. Try to understand how you fit into each test, because you're never going to be a perfect match to ANY of the test subjects. Figure it out on your own.

I know all about this test. The best way to not get caught is to not have any alcohol in your system. If drinking is that important change your life so you're not tested any more. That's my opinion and advice.

I appreciate that. It is that important to me. Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. I have a professional license that I put in jeopardy. No criminal trouble. Thanks for the answer.

Oh! Beer is proof that God loves us! That explains why I'm allergic to all commercial beer.

No, beer is proof, that man can turn something good, into evil. It is obvious you have a problem, if you will risk your license, your income and your way of life.over a beer. It shows a very serious attitude and drinking problem.

Yes, it is very rare, you will pass tests every two weeks, drinking that much, that regular. The other risk, always higher, someone gets pissed at you, and reports you.