Man I messed up! On May 23 I took 2 hits off a pipe.. marijuana. The last time before that was summer of 12. Wouldn't you know a job I applied for 6 months earlier called. This job is mine pending the results of a hft. The test will be on June 13. The 1st hit I took I coughed out. Couldn't hold it. The second I could. Felt its effects for about an hour. Was drinking at the time. After all the reading I've done I feel pretty good about my chances but my anxiety won't stop me from asking for others opinions.
Thanks for replies. I'll post the outcome.
Stats. 46yo 6' 245lbs light brown medium to fine hair.
3weeks from hits to hair test.

Crap. I was hoping for some thoughts on my chances. From what I'm reading all over the web most people in my shoes were told not to worry about it but many for extra insurance performed some sort of detox on their hair. I was hoping to avoid that. At 46 my hair is the one thing still holding up well on me and I'd rather not trash it. My hair is 1.5-2" long on top if that matters. Also, my smoking history I provided is honest and accurate. Until those 2 hits it truly has been 22-24 months since my last toke. No other drugs at all.(except alcohol) What do you all think?

Typically, HFTs are utilized to determine long term exposure/use over time. Can't say for sure, of course. But chances are very good 2 hits will not show up for a typical employment test. Is this a zero tolerance sort of job?

@luckornot That's a good question. Zero tolerance? It's a job that does randoms and for cause urinalisis that follow dot regs but this is a pre employment test and I am sure it is regulated by employment law testing regulations. These tests have to meet some min cut off right? I know it's low though. From what I've read most say that such a low dose has minimal if any binding to hair follicles that's testable. At least I'm hoping.

I agree, unless the job is, I don't know, a drug rehab counselor... or some position that had stricter guidelines than a "normal" job, I strongly believe that two hits will not be detected. Easy for me to say, I know, but I was an occasional user... couple hits every other week at most, and I did not test positive on a hair test for CPS.

If I had, I was not concerned, as I am a medical patient.

Good luck, and try not to lose any sleep over it.

At this point the dice have been cast. Until you find out the results you might want to reconsider your drug activity in the light of the drug tests you may or may not face.

@craven I'm sure I will smoke again in spite of drug testing. I don't feel there's anything wrong with an occasional puff with friends around a campfire. These tests are ridiculous. Everyone knows that an occasional use of mj is harmless to society.

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@craven I'm sure I will smoke again in spite of drug testing. I don't feel there's anything wrong with an occasional puff with friends around a campfire. These tests are ridiculous. Everyone knows that an occasional use of mj is harmless to society.

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Um... thats a matter of opinion, YOUR opinion... not scientific fact. You should find another job in another field if you hold that belief, one that doesn't test its employees either pre or post hiring.. Most employers can and might subject any employee to random drug testing. And it's their opinion of if they will allow it or not that matters, not anyone elses.

Because eventually someone is going to say something that will prompt a "random" test for you....or a call to the police who bring a drug snigging dog onto the job site....and if they so much as sniff a forgetten roach in a pocket....kiss your job goodbye.

Just an FYI....I've seen that happen......to a number of people at three differnt employers....one was caught with enough on him by an unexpect visit with drug sniffing dogs he's due to get out of jail next year. He was put in there in 1990. Walked onto the jobsite right after they nailed him, before they took him away.

The issue is, it is illegal, and your choice to break the law, shows a moral decision. If you have no issue there, on breaking the law, what about taking a old wrench from work. It is old anyway. Or it does not hurt if I just leave 10 min early from work, everyone else is doing it.

No, it does matter, just forget this job and do some manual labor jobs for cash where you can live the lifestyle you want.

Haha. This is hilarious. I guess I'm a drug addict now. Sure it's illegal, but why should it be? I mean if the MAN said alcohol was now illegal it would be immoral to have a glass of wine at dinner. Would that glass of wine make you an alcoholic? They could start testing to see if you had a beer while at the ball game and fire you. Awesome.

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Haha. This is hilarious. I guess I'm a drug addict now. Sure it's illegal, but why should it be? I mean if the MAN said alcohol was now illegal it would be immoral to have a glass of wine at dinner. Would that glass of wine make you an alcoholic? They could start testing to see if you had a beer while at the ball game and fire you. Awesome.

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No, that glass of wine wouldn't make you an alcoholic. Alcohol is legal, yet many prospective employees are subjected to ETG testing to determine if they've had alcohol, even if it's on the weekend, when they aren't on the job. So yes, they do test randomly and if you had a beer while at a ball game, and they did a random ETG test and you failed, you could be fired.

Them's the breaks, and in these times, when a good job is hard to come by, employers can make up whatever rules they want. You either follow them, or you find another job. That's how it is.

You don't have to like it, or agree with it. I agree with you, it's stupid. But what you think and feel doesn't really matter if you want to work and make money. Their rules are all that matter. Your thoughts on their rules, don't matter at all. They can fire you at will. So it really comes down to how much you want a job, and a paycheck. How much does your freedom to smoke pot and drink alcohol matter? No job and smoking and drinking won't be an option for long anyway, you won't be able to afford it.

Bottom line, employers can set any rules they want. Don't follow those rules, and you don't have a job, there are millions of people ready to take your place that will follow their rules.

You can do what you want, but don't complain if you lose a job, an income, because you wouldn't follow their rules.

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Haha. This is hilarious. I guess I'm a drug addict now. Sure it's illegal, but why should it be? I mean if the MAN said alcohol was now illegal it would be immoral to have a glass of wine at dinner. Would that glass of wine make you an alcoholic? They could start testing to see if you had a beer while at the ball game and fire you. Awesome.

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You never really had a real job before... did you? Because you can get fired for having a beer at lunchtime too. Or geting plastered the night before. Or for being a heavy drinker outside of work. You have the choice to work for a place that doesn't do testing. Most of those don't pay very well however.

Too many employers have been held civily and financially liable for incidents that occured while employees were under the influence of something.

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@craven I'm sure I will smoke again in spite of drug testing. I don't feel there's anything wrong with an occasional puff with friends around a campfire. These tests are ridiculous. Everyone knows that an occasional use of mj is harmless to society.

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I think your opinion is awesome. There has always been a question when fighting for social change and that is do you work within the system to affect the change or work against the current system to show how change is needed and cause it that way. Good on you for choosing the latter. There have been a smatter of evidence on both sides of the harmless and harmful discussion and I personally think it is mostly harmless but my family hasn't been affected by serious drug use so I don't think I can really comment on this.

Secondly, though awesome, your opinion has the approximate value of Jack and S**t. Your employer has the right to employ the right people for the job and make sure that ALL their employees are safe and everyone prospers. They can't do that if they have questionable people on the floor. Look at it this way. They have insurance and the amount they pay depends on the probability of having an accident. If you're running a trucking company than that probability is based on the skills and driving records of their employees. If there is one that has a questionable history when it comes to drinking or drug use than there is a high probability that sometime during their employment they'll be compromised. If, during that period, the driver gets into an accident than all sorts of bad stuff happen. So it is within the rights of the employer to weed out those people so that they have the safest and most productive workforce.

You can come up with examples in almost every field of employment, even burger flipping, where an employer would want to have the most reliable workforce they can. This is why your opinion is worth almost nothing, it is based entirely on your viewpoint and doesn't even consider the occasions where drug and alcohol testing might be valid. It is myopic and only considers your own gratification and expects the entirety of society to bow down to it. That isn't even near realistic.

This isn't even considering the straw man argument that you tried to use here. If you're going to fight for the merits of pot than do it based upon the merits of pot, don't compare it to alcohol or tobacco.

Also, based upon what you've posted, I find it hard to believer that it is only 2 hits especially if you like to puff/puff/pass around the campfire with your mates. That is my opinion.

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@craven I'm sure I will smoke again in spite of drug testing. I don't feel there's anything wrong with an occasional puff with friends around a campfire. These tests are ridiculous. Everyone knows that an occasional use of mj is harmless to society.

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Would you feel the same way if your loved one was having a heart attack and you found out the nurses taking care of said loved ones was a dope smoker? Of course not. Particularly if the loved one died. Then you would file a medical malpractice lawsuit.

Wow. I think my mistake was bringing my question to this forum. Reefer madness runs amuck. My smoke history was 100% true. I've always worked and always good jobs. And I wouldn't be concerned with a competent nurse that smoked a little pot when she's not on duty.

Yeah... right. Lets see you go to a dentist to have work done when the dentist is stoned. Bet you won't go. Talk is cheap....

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Wow. I think my mistake was bringing my question to this forum. Reefer madness runs amuck. My smoke history was 100% true. I've always worked and always good jobs. And I wouldn't be concerned with a competent nurse that smoked a little pot when she's not on duty.

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Tink - I'm still pretty new here, and I found this forum seeking advise regarding drinking and ETG testing... where I (and you) ended up in in the Addiction Forum. My limited experience is that most folks who reply expect the poster to 1) be dishonest about the amount of (fill-in-the-blank) said drug they use and 2) that because they are posting in the Addiction Forum, they are addicts or in denial or both.

Don't sweat it. My employer actually tried really, really hard to find a reason to not hire me when I told them that I was more than willing to take a pre employment drug test but that I was a medical marijuana patient and may test positive for THC, due to my seizures. It is a very fine line and one my current employer was highly (pun intended) concerned about a lawsuit for discrimination if they had not hired me, solely based upon my medical condition and said medication. This was after an offer letter was signed by them and myself, as well at a fairly high profile company.

Granted, in reality, employers CAN find any good cause to not hire someone or to fire someone if they really want to, regardless of legalities.

You came here seeking opinions - what you got was opinions - and I'm sure that you know how prevalent they are ;) everybody's got one!

I still stand by my opinion that you'll pass easily based upon two hits. I too, am a very dedicated, hard working employee and yes, I smoke on occasion. God created marijuana, man created beer. Who you going to trust?

Luck0N ~ Recovering alcoholic

Since the original question has been answered as well as it can be, this thread is now closed.