I was assigned EtG tests 4x a month after drinking for 3 days here's what happened.

Thursday--3 shots of Jack Daniels. 7-8 beers. Bud light. 11pm-2 am.

Friday. 7 bud lights - 12-4 am

Sat - 2 shots of new Amsterdam split a decently strong half liter sized mixed drink amongst four people. 1130-12 midnight.

Monday - before bed drank eight 8 oz glasses of water over the course of an hour. Urinated 4 times.

Tuesday- drank 5 8 oz glasses urinated 3x within same hour.


Wednesday - 9 am. Test. UUrinate at home prior to test. Hardly able to provide sample. Urine was yellowish in color. Took vitamins previous two days.

Also note I am 6 ft 135 lbs. Fast metabolism. Any input appreciated. Not sure what happens if I fail.

Dr Bill no longer posts at this site... and hasn't in a very long time.

If you are REQUIRED to take tests, why exactly do you think its fine to continue drinking?

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Dr Bill no longer posts at this site... and hasn't in a very long time.

If you are REQUIRED to take tests, why exactly do you think its fine to continue drinking?

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... had I known I would be testing I would not have drank. Please re read my OP. I mentioned first thing that I was assigned POST drinking. It's a condition of adjournment

Well what's done is done... it can't be changed, you are going to find out when the lab results come back. As far as future tests... don't drink and you will pass those.


If you are saying the drinking happened BEFORE you got in trouble and were put on a testing schedule. You might not get hung on the first fail... but they will for any that come after.

Seems like you are trying to determine how much you can drink and still pass in advance of tests... an answer we aren't going to give you.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Well what's done is done... it can't be changed, you are going to find out when the lab results come back. As far as future tests... don't drink and you will pass those.


If you are saying the drinking happened BEFORE you got in trouble and were put on a testing schedule. You might not get hung on the first fail... but they will for any that come after.

Seems like you are trying to determine how much you can drink and still pass in advance of tests... an answer we aren't going to give you.

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Problem is I had a High bac they're arguing I have a "problem" for that reason. I'll pass everything onward as I'm a social drinker. But getting a reduced charge is optimal. As I was not informed I could not drink I find it unfair if they use this one test against me. But go MADD. Will update for sake of future testers.

That first test basically proves you have a problem. Being it was made before you had a restriction imposed, you can't actually be sanctioned based on that one test result.. However any further ones will be viewed as flagrant violations of the terms ordered.

I hate to tell you... but social drinkers do not drink that much, and they don't do it every day. You only gave us a three day window... I'm assuming those were not the ONLY three days you drank in the last week, or the last month. If you see the rest of my point.

Social drinkers don't drink every day... or even almost every day... social drinkers drink on specific and fairly rare occaisons. Meaning there are far more drink free days than days they do have a drink....and on the days they do...they don't drink enough to get drunk.

7-8 beers in a night isn't social drinking , thats heavy drinking.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

That first test basically proves you have a problem. Being it was made before you had a restriction imposed, you can't actually be sanctioned based on that one test result.. However any further ones will be viewed as flagrant violations of the terms ordered.

I hate to tell you... but social drinkers do not drink that much, and they don't do it every day. You only gave us a three day window... I'm assuming those were not the ONLY three days you drank in the last week, or the last month. If you see the rest of my point.

Social drinkers don't drink every day... or even almost every day... social drinkers drink on specific and fairly rare occaisons. Meaning there are far more drink free days than days they do have a drink....and on the days they do...they don't drink enough to get drunk.

7-8 beers in a night isn't social drinking , thats heavy drinking.

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To be fair, those were the only nights since my arrest on St pattys day. 1st and 2nd were birthdays. The third was a concert. I consider that social drinking. Also, while I agree the first night I was drinking heavy.. my ex showing up to where we were was a factor. I don't see how 3 nights whether consecutive or not is a "problem " over the time allotted. Furthermore it's absurd what people call a "problem" if celebrating with friends is a problem. Then half the population is an alcoholic.

No, half are not alcoholics but your pattern does indicate you should look into some assistance. 3 shots and 7-8 beers in 3 hours is a bit heavy. Drinking all that water does nothing except make you fail for dilution

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Originally Posted by egtscaresme

To be fair, those were the only nights since my arrest on St pattys day. 1st and 2nd were birthdays. The third was a concert. I consider that social drinking. Also, while I agree the first night I was drinking heavy.. my ex showing up to where we were was a factor. I don't see how 3 nights whether consecutive or not is a "problem " over the time allotted. Furthermore it's absurd what people call a "problem" if celebrating with friends is a problem. Then half the population is an alcoholic.

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Half the population doesn't drink that heavily... or that often I hate to tell you.

Alcoholics never see a problem... and they always seem to have a rationalization.

I'm not a tea Teetotaler. But everyone I've seen that drinks that heavily that often... has had a problem. All three of those days amounted to a significant consumption of alcohol each day. Its easy to have a good time... and do it with significantly less alcohol consumed that night. If there was an emergency any of those nights... you would not have been able to drive yourself away legally without a rather significant waiting period.

What you were doing qualifies as Binge Drinking.

Why is every post of yours critical rather than constructive? I did not even bring my car any of these nights. So if there was an emergency someone's picking me up regardless. Plus if there's an emergency that would require immediate action. Even if I was sober and had a car. By the time I arrived at the "emergency" it would be a "situation." 3x in a month and a half is often? Did you attend a university in the past decade mate? Hate to break it to break to you, but a lot of successful professionals obtained their respective degrees drinking a hell of a lot more than 3x a month. Im not sure if you posses superb trolling ability or if you just enjoy making asinine assumptions. The only thing I can see the logic in, is that I "binged." It caused no ill effect to my life, My job, Or my education. I was not driving. I don't drink alone. I don't often drink. Unless I'm celebrating. Avg 2-3 days a month. And during those days, if I have nothing to do the following day, sometimes I "binge." Driving would be irresponsible. As long as it has no ill effect, no dependency, there is no problem. Not sure if you're part of some prohibitionist group like MADD or what. But Jesus christ. I came to inquire about the EtG. Not to hear you're opinion on my life which you know nothing about. Good day and piss off.

Edit- after reviewing a previous comment I overlooked, I'm going to address it now. Another assumption of yours. You assumed I was looking to see if I could drink before a test and still pass? Where did you get that? Do you read what you see or what you want to see? I'm here with one intent. To avoid surprises. I wanted to know if I'd pass THIS particular and specific test. Because, like you, the prosecution will take one failed alcohol test and argue dependency. I will abstain as long as I need. Until the courts done with me. However long that may be. Then I will l go back to 2-3 times a month doing what I always have. My arrest was an isolated incident and by not giving my self the option to drive I can binge as hard as I want if I wish. Other than driving not one single aspect of my drinking is/was irresponsible. I've seen you're other posts on several topics. You're ignorance is arrogant. You assume far too much with the little information provided

Gee... You are suddenly the expert here? Incidentally... this isn't a support the drunks site. You are the only one here dishing out all the negativity. YOU are the one who refuses to see the problem you have, and YOU are the one who refuses to do anything about it.

YOU got arrested.. YOU are subject to court ordered testing, YOU are the one that's been attempting to rationalize your heavy drinking. YOU are the one that seems incapible of going out without heavy consumption of alcohol being involved. YOU presented all the proof we need to back up everything I've said.

Drink all you want... you will fail the tests, if you get caught driving you will probibly end up in jail when they run your records and find out about your court ordered testing. Your own ignorance will be your downfall.


And incdidently... you are a rather ignorant and rude person. Lets hope your next test is a failure... maybe you will grasp the fact you don't know half of what you think you know.

And incidentally... given the information provided... based on YOUR OWN WORDS. You are a drunk that can't stop drinking after a drink or two like MOST people. That by its very definition.....is proof of a drinking problem.

If any assuming had to be done its because YOU failed to provide the information. Thats on you...not anyone who answers.

I don't NEED your life story to see the obvious... you've told us all we know to see it very clearly.

I've pointed out a problem thats clear to most of us...(but appaerently not to you) if you take the advice and deal with it...or continue down the slippery slope you are on....is up to you.

Don't think you have the right to have everyone assist you on that path of destruction until you kill someone else...or kill yourself. Thats the destiny for heavy drinkers, it catches up to everyone , eventually.

Binge drinking IS alcohol abuse.....and binge drinking is well established to be a way many serious alcoholics get their start.

If everyone you hang around with does this, you are hanging around with the wrong people.

I doubt you will pass this test, or any other without total abstinence. Taking several EtG tests a month makes for a small window to metabolize alcohol. Better learn a better way to party, and celebrate with your buds because for sure there will be BIG consequences for repeated failures and even more tests closer together.

It's a paper trail of failed tests we are talking about and yes testers are very well aware of attempts at drinking water and different liquids to fool the tests. Doesn't matter whether you think you are an alcoholic or not, and the court doesn't care about that anyway. All they care about is you meeting the requirements and condition they tell you to meet.

Don't be caught dirty, is the bottomline and recognize that you are off to a lousy start, and do much better.

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Originally Posted by egtscaresme

To be fair, those were the only nights since my arrest on St pattys day. 1st and 2nd were birthdays. The third was a concert. I consider that social drinking. Also, while I agree the first night I was drinking heavy.. my ex showing up to where we were was a factor. I don't see how 3 nights whether consecutive or not is a "problem " over the time allotted. Furthermore it's absurd what people call a "problem" if celebrating with friends is a problem. Then half the population is an alcoholic.

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Note the bolded part. Since my arrest. At that point you were required not to drink, but you did, AND you made excuses for it. A birthday or two isn't an excuse to drink when you are required to abstain. And ex showing up isn't an excuse when you are required to abstain, neither is a concert.

If you can't abstain from alcohol when required to do so, it's time to admit there is a problem.

Well mate, as you say, sorry, Binge drinking IS irresponsible. Accept the fact the you have issues and do something about it. What's the issue with MADD-DUI accident? How do they affect you?

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Note the bolded part. Since my arrest. At that point you were required not to drink, but you did, AND you made excuses for it. A birthday or two isn't an excuse to drink when you are required to abstain. And ex showing up isn't an excuse when you are required to abstain, neither is a concert.

If you can't abstain from alcohol when required to do so, it's time to admit there is a problem.

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Wrong. I was not required to abstain initially. Not until I saw the judge for the first time were any conditions of bond made. Since the condition was put in place I have began abstaining and will continue too. Abstaining was never the issue here.

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Gee... You are suddenly the expert here? Incidentally... this isn't a support the drunks site. You are the only one here dishing out all the negativity. YOU are the one who refuses to see the problem you have, and YOU are the one who refuses to do anything about it.

YOU got arrested.. YOU are subject to court ordered testing, YOU are the one that's been attempting to rationalize your heavy drinking. YOU are the one that seems incapible of going out without heavy consumption of alcohol being involved. YOU presented all the proof we need to back up everything I've said.

Drink all you want... you will fail the tests, if you get caught driving you will probibly end up in jail when they run your records and find out about your court ordered testing. Your own ignorance will be your downfall.


And incdidently... you are a rather ignorant and rude person. Lets hope your next test is a failure... maybe you will grasp the fact you don't know half of what you think you know.

And incidentally... given the information provided... based on YOUR OWN WORDS. You are a drunk that can't stop drinking after a drink or two like MOST people. That by its very definition.....is proof of a drinking problem.

If any assuming had to be done its because YOU failed to provide the information. Thats on you...not anyone who answers.

I don't NEED your life story to see the obvious... you've told us all we know to see it very clearly.

I've pointed out a problem thats clear to most of us...(but appaerently not to you) if you take the advice and deal with it...or continue down the slippery slope you are on....is up to you.

Don't think you have the right to have everyone assist you on that path of destruction until you kill someone else...or kill yourself. Thats the destiny for heavy drinkers, it catches up to everyone , eventually.

Binge drinking IS alcohol abuse.....and binge drinking is well established to be a way many serious alcoholics get their start.

If everyone you hang around with does this, you are hanging around with the wrong people.

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My god you are incompetent. How many times must I state I plan to abstain as long as required. Not drinking is not a problem for me. I never once mentioned drinking while required not too. Yet you continue to approach me as if that is not the case. I gave you no reason to assume I plan to drink. That is you.

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My god you are incompetent. How many times must I state I plan to abstain as long as required. That

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My god are you dense, and ignorant... I guess you've already killed most of what brain cells you had left after being dropped on your head at birth by drowning them in alcohol. Its obvious reading comprehension isn't your strong point.

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I doubt you will pass this test, or any other without total abstinence. Taking several EtG tests a month makes for a small window to metabolize alcohol. Better learn a better way to party, and celebrate with your buds because for sure there will be BIG consequences for repeated failures and even more tests closer together.

It's a paper trail of failed tests we are talking about and yes testers are very well aware of attempts at drinking water and different liquids to fool the tests. Doesn't matter whether you think you are an alcoholic or not, and the court doesn't care about that anyway. All they care about is you meeting the requirements and condition they tell you to meet.

Don't be caught dirty, is the bottomline and recognize that you are off to a lousy start, and do much better.

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You are the first person to give a solid response. Thank you.

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My god are you dense, and ignorant... I guess you've already killed most of what brain cells you had left after being dropped on your head at birth by drowning them in alcohol. Its obvious reading comprehension isn't your strong point.

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Is it my comprehension? You said drink as much as I want. I don't want to drink? You said don't expect people to help me down my path of destruction? I plan to abstain. I believe it is you're comprehension that is of lack here.

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Is it my comprehension? You said drink as much as I want. I don't want to drink? You said don't expect people to help me down my path of destruction? I plan to abstain. I believe it is you're comprehension that is of lack here.

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You keep proving your own ignorance... and the fact you ARE an alcoholic that refuses to come to terms with it. You also have a total lack or respect for others which is also obvious to all... and that makes you a drunken scum... Personally after your rants... you are the one that started namecalling here....., I have the right to respond to rude Noobs that think they know everything, who are usually high school droputs....and rarely cut it to make it through college.

I hope you have one too many... and end up in jail... perhaps that's what its going to take before you grasp what an incredibly rude person you are... when you spout off like a blowhard as you have been doing here... and you find out you don't have anything to back up that mouth. THen explain to the authorities how 7+ drinks in a night isn't excessive drinking...etc....see how far you get with it.

But then... you would have to have some degree of intelligence to grasp that... and I think you have proven you don't have it. You are probably barely old enough to drink as it is....Most people outgrow this teenage binge drinking by their early 20's, learning how stupid they look to others (alcohol, doesn't make you cool...it does the exact opposite)....those that don't are already true alcoholics by that time.

If you weren't an alcoholic....you could go the next 6 months or a year without ONE drink. I'm guessing you couldn't do that to prove my point, or prove to yourself you don't NEED THAT DRINK? Could you? I know its really hard...but give that idea some thought...mull it over a few days or a few weeks, you might have an Epiphany.

If you NEED that drink....you have a drinking problem.