Who would have though, not only are americans spying on their own, they are spying on us too. Doesn't an alliance mean anything?

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Is this some sort of weird wikilieaks twist or do americans just get off on gossip?

Hi paraclete, you've heard the adage "Keep your friends close but your enemies closer."

Plus we really do get off on gossip. G'day

Yeah well you could have fooled me, what else is listening in on phone calls?

Our enemies are closer than yours we don't need court sanctions here, legacy of 9/11

Yes all our friends should tell the US 'you have some 'splainin' to do' .

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yeh well you could have fooled me, what else is listening in on phone calls?

Our enemies are closer than yours we don't need court sanctions here, legacy of 9/11

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And the jerk who leaked this defected to China.. another one of your "friends " .

Not just you Clete, Germany, the UK, just about everyone. I believe the Obama administration refers to this as "smart power."

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and the jerk who leaked this defected to China ..another one of your "friends " .

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Yes my advice would be take up residence in Macao and get a chinese visa

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yes all our friends should tell the US 'you have some 'splainin' to do' .

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Well you do, it's bad form to spy on your allies

Hello clete:

Although they'll probably deny it, I remember EVERY time I'd mention that Bush was reading your email and listening to your phone calls, I was corrected by our resident right wingers. They assured me that NONE of my domestic communications were being monitored.

You weren't buying it either, were you?

excon

And your evidence was?? The 2 laws that are being used in this case ;the Patriot Act and the FISA law have NO provisions for this type of blanket dragnet . As far as we know ;this began under the emperor .

Seriously guys, if you honestly believe that electronic communications are truly secure and confidential, then your really are deluded.
Why does this come as such a big surprise to anyone ?
Ok so the US "intelligence" community have been caught with their collectives in the cookie jar, yet again. Does it actually change anything?

KEEP CALM and Carry On: PRISM itself is not a big deal ? The Register certainly makes you think..

Hello ben:

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Sure it does. In terms of private business's, we have no expectation of privacy when we're on the internet. But, the Constitution doesn't address how anybody, BUT the government collects information on us, and the Fourth Amendment is pretty clear about that. Without a warrant, they simply cannot.

Look. The only way to TRUST that the government won't ABUSE the information they collect on its citizens, is to PREVENT them from collecting it in the first place... That's exactly what the Fourth Amendment says.

Excon

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Hello ben:

Sure it does. In terms of private business's, we have no expectation of privacy when we're on the internet. But, the Constitution doesn't address how anybody, BUT the government collects information on us, and the Fourth Amendment is pretty clear about that. Without a warrant, they simply cannot.

Look. The only way to TRUST that the government won't ABUSE the information they collect on its citizens, is to PREVENT them from collecting it in the first place... That's exactly what the Fourth Amendment says.

excon

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Geenie

US is spaying on everyone, regardless of nationality, even on other countries. Google, Yahoo etc are helping them. That's why indian govt asked these companies to set up local server. That confirms spying.

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Hello ben:

Sure it does. In terms of private business's, we have no expectation of privacy when we're on the internet. But, the Constitution doesn't address how anybody, BUT the government collects information on us, and the Fourth Amendment is pretty clear about that. Without a warrant, they simply cannot.

Look. The only way to TRUST that the government won't ABUSE the information they collect on its citizens, is to PREVENT them from collecting it in the first place... That's exactly what the Fourth Amendment says.

Excon

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It's time to end "secret law".

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“It is impossible for the American people to have an informed public debate about laws that are interpreted, enforced, and adjudicated in complete secrecy,” Wyden said.

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Senators: End Secret Law

Yep let's get rid of the kangaroo courts, get rid of the star chambers and have lawmakers get back to what they are supposed to be doing, facilitating government