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Let's talk about abortion

Hello,

Righty's think lefty's are in LOVE with abortion.. They think liberal women get pregnant or even raped just to get one. However, what's TRUE, and what right wingers BELIEVE, are TWO different things..

A lefty believes abortions are TERRIBLE. They SHOULD be prevented. It's a GOOD IDEA to make them ILLEGAL. It's even the MORAL thing to do.

The only problem, is that no matter how many abortion cops we put on the beat, like marijuana, we're NOT going to stop people from getting what they want. All making abortion illegal would do, is force poor women into doing back alley ones on themselves. RICH women, of course, will still be able to get theirs..

So, although it would be a good idea to outlaw abortion, it would also be a good idea to outlaw earthquakes... But, in reality, we're not going to stop either one.

BETTER that they be legal and SAFE. No?

excon

Obama is in support of Abortion up to and including right after delivery... (research his stand on this as a senator in Illinoise)

Exactly when do democrats think it's the right time to NOT kill the baby? 5 years old, 18 years old?

Funny how they have more sympathy for convicted murderers on death row than they have for a baby that never hurt anyone.

smoothy's response represents the conservatives views perfectly. :-)

Legal and safe, the only problem is getting good care after. A woman can have an abortion, but she must be well informed about after care; she may have the money for an abortion, but will she have the money for after care when she does not have healthcare benefits.

Abortions are relatively easy to come by here Canada through a proper medical source, meaning one's own doctor giving a proper referral and of course covered by socialized healthcare.

Murders happen even though they are illegal . So although it's a good idea to outlaw murder ,murders are going to happen anyway and people who are going to murder will do so anyway. We know that's true because we have tried making marijuana illegal?? Why have any laws ;people are going to break them anyway ? The raw numbers ;since Roe v Wade ;over 50 million babies killed .

What we learned from the Dem platform is that they favor unfettered taxpayer funded abortion up to the moment of birth.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

What we learned from the Dem platform is that they favor unfettered taxpayer funded abortion up to the moment of birth.

And the lies continue... That doesn't help your cause. Especially when you paint with the wide brush.

Here is the exact language...
"The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay."

The dropped language about making abortion 'rare ' in 2008 ;and this year added the implied taxpayer funding into the language.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

Here is the exact language ...
"The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay."

The dropped language about making abortion 'rare ' in 2008 ;and this year added the implied taxpayer funding into the language.

From your previous post 'What we learned from the Dem platform is that they favor unfettered taxpayer funded abortion up to the moment of birth.'

Do you know what you are saying here? Did they actually state this?

Okay, so a woman who is carrying a DEAD baby should be forced to carry to term and give birth as if everything is normal---is that what you're saying? AND she should have to pay for it 100% out of her own pocket, with no help from the government for her medical bills?

Late term abortions are almost ALWAYS to save the mother's life or because the life of the fetus is not viable.

I am staunchly pro-choice---mostly because I had to MAKE that choice. I didn't choose abortion, but at least I had the right to decide for myself what was the right option for me.

What I don't get is that people who are anti-choice (I refuse to use "pro-life" because you're only counting heartbeats, not quality of life) don't exactly offer up a lot of other choices. They're the same people who hate welfare (which a single teen mom of an unplanned baby is GOING to use) and who seem to think that adoption is a walk in the park. I mean, if you don't WANT the baby, just give it up. There can't POSSIBLY be emotional repercussions for that at ALL. (yes, there is sarcasm there).

If the anti-choice people got together and used all of the money they spend on their propaganda to stop abortions for things like--oh--EDUCATION and SUPPORT for unplanned pregnancies, I'm betting that 1. There would be a lot fewer unplanned pregnancies and 2. More people would be willing to choose other options.

And let's face it--recent Republican statements make it very clear that conservatives need to get Sex Education back into the schools because we have people who actually BELIEVE that you can't get pregnant from a "true" rape and that HIV can't be spread between heterosexual couples. Maybe those same people think that every single unplanned pregnancy is stupid people having mass amounts of sex with no birth control, too---because OBVIOUSLY, that's the ONLY way you can get pregnant.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

What we learned from the Dem platform is that they favor unfettered taxpayer funded abortion up to the moment of birth.

Hello again, tom:

Kind of like Paul Ryan, are you?? Criticizing the left for moving leftward, while you took leaps and bounds toward the right...

excon

I'm not against abortion totally, just after the first trimester.

I do believe the project dwellers should pay for their own abortions... they have money for cell phones and $200 tennis shoes... they can afford their own abortions too.

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

Kinda like Paul Ryan, are you??? Criticizing the left for moving leftward, while you took leaps and bounds toward the right...

excon

My position hasn't changed . How could I compromise when I think it's a killing ? Only when the mother's life is in threatened should it be considered a legal procedure.

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Originally Posted by tomder55

My position hasn't changed . How could I compromise when I think it's a killing ? Only when the mother's life is in threatened should it be considered a legal procedure.

Empathy time. You'd feel that way if you had been raped by a stranger or an uncle or your volleyball coach and would have to carry that crime around in your belly and be reminded of that rape every moment of the day for NINE months?

And it's the baby's fault how ? I'm unsubscribing from this post. No one will change the other's mind .

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Originally Posted by tomder55

and it's the baby's fault how ?

No, it's the rapist's fault. Stop rape from happening.

On the medical viewpoint, a fetus is not viable outside of the mother's womb until at least 24 weeks gestation. It is, for lack of a better term, a parasite that will not live without the mother. Just because there is a heartbeat does not make it a living being.

it's really simple to me, if you didn't like abortion you'd show more concern for the natural byproduct of intercourse, the child.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

it's really simple to me, if you didn't like abortion you'd show more concern for the natural byproduct of intercourse, the child.

No, back up the bus. If you don't like abortion, you will do everything to avoid getting pregnant including abstaining from sex.

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

No, back up the bus. If you don't like abortion, you will do everything to avoid getting pregnant including abstaining from sex.

And how many libs are promoting abstinence? Four?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

And how many libs are promoting abstinence? Four?

About the same amount as catholics I guess.