1. What are the reasons that if a worker committed fornication after confessing to God and forsaking it, he needs to tell the leader about it and if it other sins they just confess and forsake it without going to the leader. Is sin not the same in the present of God

2. If one of the partners now went to the leader and the other does not fill convinted to do same based on the life ofs some of these leaders it a must that the other that went must mention the other part name. Does the Bible not say we must bear our own sin.

3. Such a decision does it amount to that the one that went as not repented of the sin because he did not reviled the other parson name.

4. in such a case does it mean that both of them will not see God at the end of their lifes

5. What can be partner that reported himself do in this type of case. Please help me

I moved this to the Christianity board. Which church body are you talking about? Jehovah's Witnesses?

Please tell us the story in plain English. It sounds like you were involved sexually with another person and are worried about confessing it to the "leader" (someone else didn't confess their sin to him?), plus what will happen to you in the afterlife.

According to the bible, the Lord Jesus Christ died for sins. In order to spend eternity with God you have to accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior. The bible says if we confess with our mouths the Lord Jesus and believe in our hearts that God raised him from the dead, we will be saved. We WILL spend eternity with the Father. There is no condition to that promise. That means we can blow it and we are still accepted by God.

According to the Bible if someone has sex outside of marriage it is forgivable ALL sin is forgivable. The Lord wants us to repent and move on. He doesn't hold our sin against us nor does he hold you responsible for another. There is no where in the bible that says we MUST confess our sin to another person, elder, leader or priest in order to be forgiven. Sometimes it just isn't anyone else's business. If you have repented... move ON. Jesus gave you the gift of no condmenation. Romans 8:1

These are not my thoughts on the subject but they are answers from the bible. If you need more references, please let me know and I will give you chapter and verse. Hoped this help.

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There is no where in the bible that says we MUST confess our sin to another person, elder, leader or priest in order to be forgiven. Sometimes it just isn't anyone else's business.

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What if it is the church body's policy and rule?

This does not sound Christian to me.

You don't report your sins to a "leader"
Each person is responsible for their own sin, not of a sin of another.

You confess your sin to God, in some churches, they have general confession to a group, or in some Anglican, Catholic and Orthodox private confession with your priest.

All sin is the same to God, it is sin, Man can not do enough good works, since all sin is evil before God.

God knows who is who, one does not have to tell a church leader names, They must repent to God not a leader

Every one will see God when they die, some will be doomed to hell, others sent to heaven
Going to heaven depends on accepting Christ not how we confess to man.

Sorry but it sounds like you have a lot of man made rules that are not in the bible, Perhaps you can just ask God for forgiveness if you are sorry for your sin and you will be forgiven without having to talk to any leader

WG,

I base my answers on the bible not on denominations. If my answers are wrong biblically, then I stand corrected. And I am more than happy to listen to whatever scripture one has to back up their thoughts. But church policies and rules in and of themselves do not supercede the bible.

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WG,

I base my answers on the bible not on denominations. If my answers are wrong biblically, then I stand corrected. And I am more than happy to listen to whatever scripture one has to back up their thoughts. But church policies and rules in and of themselves do not supercede the bible.

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That's what I wanted to hear. Unfortunately, the opposite is often the case. The questioner has to/wants to live in that community and so has to abide by rules that God didn't make (and maybe the ones He did make are being misinterpreted--as they often are).

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There is no where in the bible that says we MUST confess our sin to another person, elder, leader or priest in order to be forgiven. .

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James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that you may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.

Math 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

My sister, a Pentecostal, sent me this (Church Discipline - What Does the Bible Say About Church Discipline?) --

Matthew 18:15-17 clearly and specifically sets forth the practical steps for confronting and correcting a wayward believer.

First, one believer (usually the offended person) will meet individually with the other believer to point out the offense. If the brother or sister listens and confesses, the matter is resolved.
Second, if the one-on-one meeting is unsuccessful, the offended person will attempt to meet with the believer again, taking with him one or two other members of the church. This allows the confrontation of sin and resulting correction to be confirmed by two or three witnesses.
Third, if the person still refuses to listen and change his behavior, the matter is to be taken before the entire congregation. The whole church body will publicly confront the believer and encourage him to repent.
Lastly, if all attempts to discipline the believer fail to bring change and repentance, the person will be removed from the fellowship of the church.

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James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that you may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.

Math 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

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I do know that verse well in James and almost quoted it myself. We are told to confess our faults one to another but NOT for forgiveness of sins. The Lord says talking over our faults with a brother or sister in the is biblical and obviously good for you. Not the same thing though as feeling obligated and thinking if you don't you aren't forgiven. The verse needs to be put into context and used with wisdom. Sometimes telling people (even Christians) our sins isn't wise and causes all host of other problems. We are to be led by the Holy Spirit in these matters. I ain't telling squat to anyone if I don't feel it is beneficial and I don't have peace about it. I am not telling someone my faults just because they are a leader or in the church and I do not believe that is what James meant when he said it. Come to think of it, he doesn't even specify when to do it. There are things I haven't felt like discussing for years after the fact. But when the time was right... and the person was trustworthy and it was beneficial I spilled my guts. Ha ha... and it felt pretty darn good too! :)

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My sister, a Pentecostal, sent me this (Church Discipline - What Does the Bible Say About Church Discipline?) --

Matthew 18:15-17 clearly and specifically sets forth the practical steps for confronting and correcting a wayward believer.

First, one believer (usually the offended person) will meet individually with the other believer to point out the offense. If the brother or sister listens and confesses, the matter is resolved.
Second, if the one-on-one meeting is unsuccessful, the offended person will attempt to meet with the believer again, taking with him one or two other members of the church. This allows the confrontation of sin and resulting correction to be confirmed by two or three witnesses.
Third, if the person still refuses to listen and change his behavior, the matter is to be taken before the entire congregation. The whole church body will publicly confront the believer and encourage him to repent.
Lastly, if all attempts to discipline the believer fail to bring change and repentance, the person will be removed from the fellowship of the church.

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Again, very biblical. But then we are discussing someone who hasn't repented and wants to live in a known sin. Not someone who blew it, knew it and changed.

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Again, very biblical. but then we are discussing someone who hasn't repented and wants to live in a known sin. Not someone who blew it, knew it and changed.

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Those verses aren't about someone who admitted it and changed. They are about someone who is living in sin.

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Those verses aren't about someone who admitted it and changed. They are about someone who is living in sin.

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Agreed