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  • Mar 4, 2007, 01:26 AM
    jrwu98
    Are foreign students naturally non-resident aliens?
    I read up a few other questions/answers, but decided to open a new thread instead...
    Like many others, I'm really confused with my alient status!

    I originally thought I was a non-resident alien (since I'm still a student), but I am using CINTAX software, and it tells me I qualify for SPT and I'm a resident alien, after I entered all the days that I am in the country each year since 1986 (I was present in this country for a total of 8 different years).

    In pub519, it did mention how students with F type visa are "exempt individual" and you shouldn't count the days that you are an exempt indiviual... then I don't qualify for SPT if this applies...

    Does that mean, this CINTAX software is not smart enough to calculate those days that I am exempty individual, and I should bypass this section and continue?

    At the same time, this document published by my school said:
    2. Aren't all students in F-1 and J-1, which are nonimmigrant statuses, also nonresidents for tax purposes?
    Not necessarily. Your tax status (nonresident or resident) is separate from your immigration status. You may be a resident for tax purposes even though you are still a non-resident for immigration purposes. Generally, if you have been in the U.S less than 5 calendar years, you are a nonresident for tax purposes and will be filing nonresident forms; CINTAX and the tax workshops are designed for you.

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    Which one is right?? I am soooo confused!! Please help me explain if possible! Thanks so much!
  • Mar 4, 2007, 10:50 AM
    taxsearcher
    If you have held your F1 visa (or previously a J1) for more than 5 years then you start counting your days toward the SPT. It's a little hard to give you advice without more details on your situation.
  • Mar 4, 2007, 11:48 AM
    jrwu98
    I was an fulltime undergrad student in the US from 1998-2002, then I left the country to go home and work, and then I came back to US for grad school from 2005 - now...

    I also visited with B1 vistor visa in both 2003 and 2004, but less than a week for each year

    And yes, I guess I missed the part in pub519 that mentioned if I'm in the country for more than 5 calendar years then I'm considered a resident alien...

    So, I should file 1040s instead of 1040NRs? So I don't have to file 8843?

    And I don't get the benefits of non-alien residents like not needing to file my bank interests?

    And that means I can use turbo tax?

    Thanks for your kind help!
  • Mar 4, 2007, 12:35 PM
    taxsearcher
    You were an exempt individual and non-resident for the five year period 1998-2002 (that adds to 5 years).

    Use Turbo Tax if you like.
  • Mar 5, 2007, 11:18 AM
    AtlantaTaxExpert
    Agree!
  • Mar 5, 2007, 12:55 PM
    jrwu98
    Another quick question...

    I file using 1040... so, I don't get the benefits from not having to report interest & Dividend, but I enjoy the benefits from the tuition credit? Just like a normal US citizen would?

    That's actually better for me... since tuition credit is like $2000

    Thanks!
  • Mar 5, 2007, 01:33 PM
    hotcakey
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jrwu98
    I read up a few other questions/answers, but decided to open a new thread instead...
    Like many others, I'm really confused with my alient status!!

    I originally thought I was a non-resident alien (since I'm still a student), but i am using CINTAX software, and it tells me I qualify for SPT and I'm a resident alien, after I entered all the days that I am in the country each year since 1986 (I was present in this country for a total of 8 different years).

    in pub519, it did mention how students with F type visa are "exempt individual" and you shouldn't count the days that you are an exempt indiviual...then I don't qualify for SPT if this applies...

    Does that mean, this CINTAX software is not smart enough to calculate those days that I am exempty individual, and I should bypass this section and continue??

    At the same time, this document published by my school said:
    2. Aren't all students in F-1 and J-1, which are nonimmigrant statuses, also nonresidents for tax purposes?
    Not necessarily. Your tax status (nonresident or resident) is separate from your immigration status. You may be a resident for tax purposes even though you are still a non-resident for immigration purposes. Generally, if you have been in the U.S less than 5 calendar years, you are a nonresident for tax purposes and will be filing nonresident forms; CINTAX and the tax workshops are designed for you.

    ---
    Which one is right?!?!?! I am soooo confused!!! Please help me explain if possible! Thanks so much!!

    Hi if I were you. Ill talk to a lawyer to answer all your question or go to your embassy ask them.or find a person who know this kind of stuff
  • Mar 7, 2007, 01:33 PM
    AtlantaTaxExpert
    Sigh...

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