The feds destroyed some of the most productive agricultural land in the world (a government created "food desert") in the Central California Valley on behalf of some fish nobody really cares about, yet they're ok with "programmatic" killing of the Bald Eagle for the sake of wind energy.

Interior Looks to Expand Permits for Killing Bald Eagles to Accommodate Wind Energy

I have a better idea, let's get some water back to the Central California Valley so we can grow veggies and put people back to work on their land and get more fruits and veggies to kids and let the eagles live.

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We propose to revise the regulations for permits for nonpurposeful take of golden eagles (Aquila chrysaetos) and bald eagles (Haliaeetus leucocephalus) where the take is associated with, but not the purpose of, an activity. We propose to extend the maximum term for programmatic permits to 30 years. The permits must incorporate conditions specifying additional measures that may be necessary to ensure the preservation of eagles, should monitoring data indicate the need for the measures. This change will facilitate the responsible development of renewable energy and other projects designed to operate for many decades, while continuing to protect eagles consistent with statutory mandates. For a permit valid for 5 years or more, we propose to charge an application processing fee sufficient to offset the estimated costs associated with working with the applicants to develop site plans and conservation measures, and prepare applications, and for us to review applications. For any project that is deemed likely to take eagles, we also propose to collect an additional administration fee when we grant a permit. The proposed change does not affect the tenure of any other migratory bird or eagle permit type.

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So apparently the eagles are not endangered there at all.

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So apparently the eagles are not endangered there at all.

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So you're OK with killing this majestic creature so we can erect another massive, ugly, inefficient wind turbine, but not the Delta Smelt so people can grow food and make a living on their land?

Kill the Bald Eagles ,build windmills... save the smelt ,destroy the agriculture industry in California... spare the spotted owl ,destroy the timber industry

Exactly, twisted priorities.

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kill the Bald Eagles ,build windmills ...save the smelt ,destroy the agriculture industry in California .... spare the spotted owl ,destroy the timber industry

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What a load of crapolla

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what a load of crapolla

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You get used to it after a while LOL.

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what a load of crapolla

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Really? Factually 100 percent true.

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timber companies are required to leave at least 40% of the old-growth forests intact within a 1.3 mile radius of any spotted owl nest or activity site

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The Dust Bowl Congress created

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On a springtime drive through the Central Valley, it’s hard not to notice how federal and state governments are hell-bent on destroying the state’s top export — almonds — and everything else in the nation’s most productive farmland.

Instead of pink blossoms and green shoots along Highway 5 in April, vast spans from Bakersfield to Fresno sit bone-dry. Brown grass, dead orchards and lifeless grapevine skeletons stretch for miles for lack of water. For every fallow field, there’s a sign that farmers have placed alongside the highway: “No Water = No Food,” “No Water = No Jobs,” “Congress Created Dust Bowl.”

Locals say it’s been like this for two years now, as Congress and bureaucrats cite “drought,” “global warming” and “endangered species” to deny water to this $37 billion breadbasket through arbitrary “environmental” quotas.

It started with a 2008 federal court order that stopped water flowing from northern tributaries on a supposed need to protect a small fish — the delta smelt — that was getting ground up in the turbines of pump stations that divert the water south. The court knew it was bad law, but Congress refused to exempt the fish from the Endangered Species Act and the diversion didn’t help the fish.

After that, the water cutoff was blamed on “drought,” though northern reservoirs are currently full. Now the cry is “save the salmon,” a reference to water needs of the state’s northern fisheries.

Whatever the excuse, 75% of the fresh water that has historically irrigated California is now being washed to the open sea. For farmers in the southwest part of the valley, last year’s cutoff amounted to 90%.

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Speaking of being green, the green nut jobs are warning we'll need two earths to sustain the population by the year 2030 because we're draining our resources. The solution of course, ending our love affair with fossil fuels.

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Mr Leape stresses that the starting point for reducing our impact on the planet is to end our love affair with fossil fuels – “the energy technology of the 20th century” – and switch to renewable energy.

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I honestly believe it's just liberals "moving forward" to their Utopian liberal oligarchy where the leftist one percent live a life of luxury in power while the rest of us stay confined to our mud yurts accepting whatever handouts they'll grudgingly offer. They don't even bat an eye when warning of this impending doom while turning a vast agricultural area into a dust bowl when it could be feeding the masses with the fruits and veggies they're telling us we need to eat.

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Speaking of being green, the green nut jobs are warning we'll need two earths to sustain the population by the year 2030 because we're draining our resources. The solution of course, ending our love affair with fossil fuels.

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Honestly speech I don't agree with that solution although I think the solution is population reduction it's the solution that has everything. In my lifetime we have gone from 2 billion to 7 billion

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I honestly believe it's just liberals "moving forward" to their Utopian liberal oligarchy where the leftist one percent live a life of luxury in power while the rest of us stay confined to our mud yurts accepting whatever handouts they'll grudgingly offer. They don't even bat an eye when warning of this impending doom while turning a vast agricultural area into a dust bowl when it could be feeding the masses with the fruits and veggies they're telling us we need to eat.

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You can afford to eat fruits and veggies, must be imported from China. Personally I refuse to knowingly eat any produce that is not produced in my own nation and I certainly won't eat anything that has been fiddled with by Monsanto. By the way it isn't the leftists who are responsible for all these decisions, it is bureaucrats

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Honestly speech I don't agree with that solution although I think the solution is population reduction it's the solution that has everything. In my lifetime we have gone from 2 billion to 7 billion

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And how do you propose we accomplish this?

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By the way it isn't the leftists who are responsible for all these decisions, it is bureaucrats

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And in this case the difference is what exactly?

The environmental nut jobs have unwittingly solved your population problem and cut carbon emissions at the same time...

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This summer, the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration will begin creating guidelines for the minimum amount of noise a car engine can emit -- at lower speeds hybrid and electric cars cause too many accidents.

The first time you get into a hybrid car, it can be quite eerie.

Not merely because of the peculiar sanctimoniousness of its owner, but because when it comes to a halt, there seems to be no engine sound. At first, you think it's stalled. Then you realize that cannot be. So your innards have to train themselves for this odd sensation.

However, it seems conclusive now that this little lamb's silence is proving to be somewhat injurious.

As a very fine analysis in Slate tells me, at speeds under 35 mph, hybrids and electric cars are 37 percent more likely to hit pedestrians and 66 percent more likely to hit cyclists than normal gas-guzzling machines.

However, the hybrids' silent factor has become so difficult that the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration is being forced, by this summer, to begin creating rules that will stipulate the minimum noise enjoyed by any car on the road.

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Ok all you hybrid owners, roll down your window make engine noises as you drive. Vroom, vroom!!

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Ok all you hybrid owners, roll down your window make engine noises as you drive. Vroom, vroom!!!

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The problem can be simply solved just add a clacker to the car, a piece of plastic touching the front wheel will do or perhaps you could envoke an old law and have a man or woman run ahead of the vehicle with a flag/ Stop protecting people from thieir own stupidity

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Stop protecting people from thieir own stupidity

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Exactly.
As a cyclist I absolutely do not rely of hearing a car coming in order to be in a safe part of the road. But then again my own stupidity involves having earbuds with good tunes so I know to be more vigilant. :D
I'd LOVE to have low/no emission cars on the roads all around me instead of gas guzzlers.

Hey karma theyare available around my way they cost $50,000 but how to recharge them that is the question. I hear you can't get one unless the environmental police interview you

All in due time.

Meanwhile, hybrids are killing people left and right.

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Meanwhile, hybrids are killing people left and right.

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Yeah and conventional vehiales are not?

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yeh and convential vehiales are not?

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LOL! He doesn't understand that.

I would love for all cars to be silent. No need for "fake" noise.

I would love to have my car sound like a 1965 Mustang Shelby Fastback.