For years now I haven't felt alone its mostly at home strange not normal noises misplaced things seeing and hearing doors open and slam . I moved house and it seemed fine... for about a month then it started there my roomates and friends hear it as well but only at certain hours I haven't been touched as far as I recall but do get very cold shivers when the things are happening . Last Monday night was very bad , loud violent noises and the room mates girlfriend woke up feeling as if to be choked not long before that a door which is nearly impossible to open when closed merely clicked and opened freely trying to ignore it I looked away then it slammed surprised it still on the hinges any ideas guys would be great

Demonic entity, plain and simple. It's just making itself known. Do you have any ideas why it might be attached to you? Has anybody in your family ever experienced manifestations like these as well?

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For years now I haven't felt alone its mostly at home strange not normal noises misplaced things seeing and hearing doors open and slam . I moved house and it seemed fine...for about a month then it started there my roomates and friends hear it as well but only at certain hours I haven't been touched as far as I recall but do get very cold shivers when the things are happening . Last Monday night was very bad , loud violent noises and the room mates girlfriend woke up feeling as if to be choked not long before that a door which is nearly impossible to open when closed merely clicked and opened freely trying to ignore it I looked away then it slammed surprised it still on the hinges any ideas guys would be great

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I'm not sure really and I haven't asked as worried I would be seen . Is it going to get worse or just keep tormenting me . How do I prevent it make it stop or ease it

I cannot say what it is going to do. I cannot say if it is going to get worse, stay the same or get better. The only thing I can say for sure is that this entity wants only harm for you.

There is only ONE true and pure method of dealing with these situations and that is the Biblical way. Jesus Christ has full authority over such spirits and He gave that authority to His church. You need to talk to somebody that is a spiritually mature Christian.

May I ask of your religious background?

I'm not very religious but my fiancé and family are but I'm afraid to bring it up In case they believe it will affect them

The longer this thing stays with you the stronger it will get... You need to deal with it... You may not be religious but I can assure you that if it is indeed a demon, it is, the only this a demon fears is God... The only thing a demon will respond to is a person of God, Don't play around with it, don't try to deal with it by yourself and I strongly recommend that you get yourself a Bible and read about how demons were created, why they are on this earth and how to make them go away from you. I'm not saying that you have to join an organized religion, but knowledge is power, so read, research and respect this. Try to gather as much information as you can.
You may also want to come clean with your partner, I'm sure that there have been questions already and you should let it be known that this is not something new to you and you will need all the support you can get.

I have spoken to my fiancé and arranged to see her father a highly respected person at there church he seems very concerned from what I have said and is eager to talk more as my fiancé has mentioned a few past things to him in the past . I have read this can also anger the entity and am now worried as I have a baby daughter

Do what you have to do to keep your daughter safe... Yes this could very well anger this entity but if you show no or little fear, because you now know what is going to happen, sort of, you won't be giving it more power. The less you react to this thing the less power it has. You are on the right track. Talk to the people of the church, they may be able to assist you in your research as they should know the passages in the bible you will need to read. They may also help you to unravel the words a bit so they make sense to you in a more modern language.
Putting sage over your daughter's bed and in a little pouch for her to carry during the day might help. Pinning a small bundle of cedar over her bedroom door and window may help as well. Salt has also been reputed to work... as I said read and do your research, also don't forget that the North American Aboriginals, Natives, have been dealing with this sort of thing for as long as time... They could be a valuable resource for you.
Leave no door un-opened and no stone un-turned, Knowledge is power and the more you have the less the demon has.

Thank you for all your help it is much appreciated.

Chardel - which is it? The Chrisitan route or the spiritist one? Sage, salt and cedar have nothing to do with God's power over such things and falls under nothing but superstition. And it's not the saying of certain verses in the bible that will help, it's the believing and understandig of them. The Bible is not a book of magic spells that keep evil away and should not be treated as such.

Peersy - You're on the right track talking to your future father-in-law. As long as he is a bible believing Christian he should be able to help you. Look to God and Him alone for your help during this time.

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For years now I haven't felt alone its mostly at home strange not normal noises misplaced things seeing and hearing doors open and slam . I moved house and it seemed fine...for about a month then it started there my roomates and friends hear it as well but only at certain hours I haven't been touched as far as I recall but do get very cold shivers when the things are happening . Last Monday night was very bad , loud violent noises and the room mates girlfriend woke up feeling as if to be choked not long before that a door which is nearly impossible to open when closed merely clicked and opened freely trying to ignore it I looked away then it slammed surprised it still on the hinges any ideas guys would be great

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This has been going on for years? Has it progressively gotten worse?

You have a problem on your hands and only you have the key to unlock this mystery. Demons and "ghosts" (earthbound spirits) can both cause a lot of trouble. Demons must submit to Christ and the compulsion to leave in Jesus' name. Spirits aren't quite as simple.

Human spirits have free-will, whether dead or alive. Spirits only leave when you figure out who they are, why they are there and help them move on. And, in the end, some will not move into the light and you need to ask people like Archangel Michael, Commander of the Heavenly Host, to remove them.

Peace...

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Chardel - which is it? The Chrisitan route or the spiritist one? Sage, salt and cedar have nothing to do with God's power over such things and falls under nothing but superstition. And it's not the saying of certain verses in the bible that will help, it's the believing and understandig of them. The Bible is not a book of magic spells that keep evil away and should not be treated as such.

Peersy - You're on the right track talking to your future father-in-law. As long as he is a bible believing Christian he should be able to help you. Look to God and Him alone for your help during this time.

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There is only one route... the way of light and victory. St. Paul blessed napkins that healed people. Disciples cast out devils and trampled snakes. Holy water is a cleansing agent that darkness hates. God can use whatever he wants on earth to do his will, whether it is water, sage, salt, etc.

All things belong to God. I pray that you do not limit His methods, regardless of your methods.

Peace...

By "one route" I meant one correct and pure one. All methods are not pure and not all paths lead to God. That type of thinking is giving by those who either don't understand what they are talking about or by those who want all the benefits of a Christian life without having to live it. Either way it is dangerous ground.

All things do not belong do God, and that is why He forbids their practice. Using sage and salt is nothing but spiritism, which God defies His people to practice. All of this belief mixing and matching is only going to confuse those that are trying to find deliverance from their problems.

Just because something appears good or OK, does not mean it is. The devil is a master of subtly and deception and that is how he draws people closer to his realm.

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By "one route" I meant one correct and pure one. All methods are not pure and not all paths lead to God. That type of thinking is giving by those who either don't understand what they are talking about or by those who want all the benefits of a Christian life without having to live it. Either way it is dangerous ground.

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The method that works is the correct one, as long as it does not violate God's laws.

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All things do not belong do God, and that is why He forbids their practice. Using sage and salt is nothing but spiritism, which God defies His people to practice. All of this belief mixing and matching is only going to confuse those that are trying to find deliverance from their problems.

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Well, we could say some prayers, sacrifice animals and sprinkle their blood on the altar and on the people as Moses did instead. I don't see how sage, salt, the stick of Moses, the napkins from St. Paul or something like these things are somehow "spiritism". God OWNS everything. "The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof". It is the devil who has corrupted the things of God. I would like to see Scripture that says natural elements such as salt and sage are unlawful, please

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Just because something appears good or OK, does not mean it is. The devil is a master of subtly and deception and that is how he draws people closer to his realm.

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I certainly agree.

Peace...

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The method that works is the correct one, as long as it does not violate God's laws.

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That's exactly my point, those things do violate what God wants from us.
First of all, I'm not talking about what is UNLAWFUL because as Christians we are no longer under the law. Christ fulfilled that for us. The big issue here is that the Bible clearly shows us how to deal with spiritual entities, and straying from that is folly. Using salt and sage have NOTHING to do with a believers authority through Christ over said spirit. Yes, the earth is God's and the fullness thereof, but, as an example, that doesn't mean it's OK to worship nature... infact that is specifically forbidden. Just because something is available doesn't mean it's good. God created sex, yet outside of a marriage environment it is wrong.

Take a look at salt. Research where it's use in dealing with spirits came from. You cannot say that this, along with smudging, has nothing to do with spiritism or the occult. At it's absolute best it is superstition.

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That's exactly my point, those things do violate what God wants from us.

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As before, please provide Scriptural evidence to your assertions.

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First of all, I'm not talking about what is UNLAWFUL because as Christians we are no longer under the law. Christ fulfilled that for us.

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We are no longer under the penalty of the law. Christ's propitiation for us sin has cancelled that penalty. That doesn't mean that things such as the Ten Commandments aren't still guidelines and expectations for us Christians to follow. Surely, that isn't simply a Jewish thing is it?

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The big issue here is that the Bible clearly shows us how to deal with spiritual entities, and straying from that is folly. Using salt and sage have NOTHING to do with a believers authority through Christ over said spirit.

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Do you believe every bit of knowledge of the earth, such as science and mathematics is contained in the Holy Writ? Do you believe that the purpose of Scripture is to provide details on the universe as He created it? I don't. I know that you don't believe in human spirits, but surely you remember that King Saul consulted a medium who conjured the spirit of Samuel, don't you?

It doesn't have to be salt or sage. It could be... St. Paul's napkins or my t-shirt or my shoes or ball cap. Miracles happen all the time. Expulsion of demons is such a thing. Healing physical maladies is such a thing. If St. Paul can bless napkins that heal people, why on earth is it not okay for modern-day Christians to use water or salt to make bad things go away? I have provided sources for my assertions from sources that both you and I could agree on. I ask you to do the same.

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Yes, the earth is God's and the fullness thereof, but, as an example, that doesn't mean it's OK to worship nature... infact that is specifically forbidden. Just because something is available doesn't mean it's good. God created sex, yet outside of a marriage environment it is wrong.

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As I said... Nature is God's. Devil corrupted it. Some humans worship it. That doesn't invalidate the fact that all the earth is God's! It just means that we have screwed it up.

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Take a look at salt. Research where it's use in dealing with spirits came from. You cannot say that this, along with smudging, has nothing to do with spiritism or the occult. At it's absolute best it is superstition.

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No, please show me evidence from Scripture that tells me it's wrong to use elements from the earth, such as (of all things), water, salt and sage to cleanse negative energies and provide healing to body, soul and spirit and I'll completely leave you and this thread alone. I don't use invalid authorities to tell me what's right or wrong. I don't go to MSNBC to get truth and authority. Believe it or not, I use Scripture as my basic instructions for living.

Peace...

I apologize for the delay in my response. It has been a very busy couple of days for me.

First of all I want to add that there is a big difference between methods of healing and spiritual deliverance. There are just about as many ways God performs physical healing as there are instances OF those healings in the Bible. Healing also stands apart from deliverance in that faith is needed more so in healing than in deliverance. Look at all the ways God healed in the scriptures... now look at how Christ taught his followers to deal with demons. Mark 16:17 "...IN MY NAME, they will drive out demons." This doesn't just mean that we are doing it FOR Christ. It is literally only by HIS authority that we can have power over such spirits. Now to rely upon things like salt or sage, etc... is to bypass His command to the church all together. Using the authority found through Christ Jesus is the ONLY thing necessary. Holy Water is not needed... incense is not needed... sage is not needed... Christ IS.

Now do the scriptures say "thou shalt not smudge"? No, of course not. But this is what they do say...

Leviticus 19:31
“'Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 20:6
“'I will set my face against anyone who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute themselves by following them, and I will cut them off from their people.

Leviticus 20:27
“'A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.'”


Deuteronomy 18:10-12

10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord; because of these same detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you.

2 Kings 21:6
He sacrificed his own son in the fire, practiced divination, sought omens, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the eyes of the LORD, arousing his anger.

Isaiah 8:19
When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?

True we are not under the Levitical law... but God has also not changed His mind on how he feels about these things. The history of smudging and other related things is nothing BUT spiritist. Whether it be the Egyptians, Native Americans, Buddhists, Hindus, Druids... it is a practice of calling forth spiritual forces that are NOT of God's. Those things are the very core of spiritism, which as you read, is forbidden by God to His followers.

This is why that practice has no place in the life of a Christian. Now obviously there are many here that post and answer that are not Christians... and that is fine. However, as a Christian, my advice would not be complete without a warning against such things in hoping that the OP would not start down a possible danerous spiritual path. I do not mean any personal attacks upon you or anybody else.

Hauntinghelper- Christian route or spiritist one?. How about the one that works... I have had experience with both... This is not an either or problem, I do not think the Bible is a book of spells and I would appreciate it if you did not put words before me that are not mine.

Peersy91... you can take from this debate what you will. I would never discourage your talking to a man of God, likewise I would never discourage you from talking to a Shaman... They are both spiritual leaders in their communities, I was only putting forth some options for you to explore... It is up to you and your family to choose the path you feel is right for you.

Peersy-were you able to talk to your fiance's father about anything?

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I apologize for the delay in my response. It has been a very busy couple of days for me.

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Heck, I didn't even see this post till today, so it's me who is behind :)

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First of all I want to add that there is a big difference between methods of healing and spiritual deliverance. There are just about as many ways God performs physical healing as there are instances OF those healings in the Bible. Healing also stands apart from deliverance in that faith is needed more so in healing than in deliverance. Look at all the ways God healed in the scriptures... now look at how Christ taught his followers to deal with demons. Mark 16:17 "...IN MY NAME, they will drive out demons." This doesn't just mean that we are doing it FOR Christ. It is literally only by HIS authority that we can have power over such spirits. Now to rely upon things like salt or sage, etc... is to bypass His command to the church all together. Using the authority found through Christ Jesus is the ONLY thing necessary. Holy Water is not needed... incense is not needed... sage is not needed... Christ IS.

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Actually, I agree with this. Holy Water, incense and other things are not necessary to drive a demon away. But, the demons don't like it, so I use them :) If it rubs them the wrong way and makes them uncomfortable I use it. If you think about it, it's akin to the accusation from the jewish priests that Christ expelled demons through Beelzebub, the prince of demons. If things that are evil are repelled by simple things as salt and holy water, does that mean that holy water and salt are evil too? That doesn't make sense, just as their accusation didn't make sense. Light repels evil. Goodness repels evil, love repels evil. Lots of things repel them. I use all of them.

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Now do the scriptures say "thou shalt not smudge"? No, of course not. But this is what they do say...

Leviticus 19:31
“‘Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 20:6
“‘I will set my face against anyone who turns to mediums and spiritists to prostitute themselves by following them, and I will cut them off from their people.

Leviticus 20:27
“‘A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.’”


Deuteronomy 18:10-12

10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, 11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. 12 Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord; because of these same detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you.

2 Kings 21:6
He sacrificed his own son in the fire, practiced divination, sought omens, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the eyes of the LORD, arousing his anger.

Isaiah 8:19
When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?

True we are not under the Levitical law... but God has also not changed His mind on how he feels about these things. The history of smudging and other related things is nothing BUT spiritist. Whether it be the Egyptians, Native Americans, Buddhists, Hindus, Druids... it is a practice of calling forth spiritual forces that are NOT of God's. Those things are the very core of spiritism, which as you read, is forbidden by God to His followers.

This is why that practice has no place in the life of a Christian. Now obviously there are many here that post and answer that are not Christians... and that is fine. However, as a Christian, my advice would not be complete without a warning against such things in hoping that the OP would not start down a possible danerous spiritual path. I do not mean any personal attacks upon you or anybody else.

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I'm sorry, but I don't get the point of the Scriptures you quoted. They are about mediums and spiritists, which in those days were completely of an evil origin and intent. Just so you know, my personal favorite items that repel evil (and always have) are these: Bible, Crucifix and holy water. Dark ones hate those! I take nothing personal in this discussion. It's simply a discussion.

Peace...