Or is it the price of stupidity and arrogance. When the US forces in Afghanistan committed an act of arrogance by burning Korans they set off a chain of events that demonstrates that saving Muslims from themselves is an absolute waste of time and allied lives
Some ungrateful Libyan Muslims desecrate our history | thetelegraph.com.au
No one appears interested in discussing this act or the consequences of it, A mistake, no, we know enough of Muslins reactions to know this wasn't a mistake, but a deliberate provocation on the part of the soldiers who did it. We all feel the offence represented by islamic extremists and their ideology. Now those who sacrificed themselves in another time and another place to destroy a tyrannical ideology must consider us week for allowing their memory to be desicrated..

My response is forget Afghanistan, let it go back to being the hell hole it was and take Libya with it. Bring the troops home now!

Clete if there are Aussie troops buried there you should go in seize the cemetery long enough to remove the remains and return them to Australia . Then do what the Romans did on their way home from Carthage at the end of the final Punic War.

Tom there are many thousands of Australian war graves all over the world, including quite a few in the middle east. Australia never had a policy of repatriating the bodies of the soldiers. These graves have hitherto been respected. We should have left the Libyans to the tender mercies of the Nazi and the Itallians, but instead we flung the Africa Korp out of North Africa. In hindsight we should have left present day Libyans to the tender mercies of Gaddafi

To suggest the answer is to move the graves is not a solution. To insist that every nation respect the war cemetries is a natural right and the Muslims have demonstrated they are not worthy of our respect. They have confirmed the thoughts that Australian soldiers had of people in that part of the world

Save your outrage not for the people of Islam, but for the thugs who do wrong in the name of a GOD. They are misguide pack of idiots led by hard core ideologues who have never even read a koran, let alone abide by it. They do as they are told like the thugs of any nation.

No Tal I have heard that line too often. I do have outrage against the ideology of Islam and as Muslim people hold on to and protect this ideology my rage is rightly directed at them, just as it is towards the arrogance of the american soldiers who stirred them up. Americans have been in Muslim countries for ten years or more and have had plenty of time to observe and note cultural matters. What a joke, passify a population with one hand and enrage them with the other

We have got to stop trying to divorce Muslims from Islam and realise that there is something basically wrong with the religion that drives these people to fury against people who were once their friends.

That would be 'and more ' . We stopped a Serbian ethnocide against Bosnian Muslims and before that we prevented and turned back Saddam's aggression against his neighbors. Yeah we are so rotten.

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that would be 'and more ' . We stopped a Serbian ethnocide against Bosnian Muslims and before that we prevented and turned back Saddam's agression against his neighbors. Yeah we are so rotten.

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Hi Tom,

Unintended consequences can turn out a favourable result. It is the intended consequences I worry about.

Tut

Where was the unintended consequences in the 2 examples ? We went to the Balkans in the 90s specifically to prevent the ethnic cleansing ;and we went to the Gulf in 1990 specifically to counter Saddam's aggression.

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Where was the unintended consequences in the 2 examples ? We went to the Balkans in the 90s specifically to prevent the ethnic cleansing ;and we went to the Gulf in 1990 specifically to counter Saddam's aggression.

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Hi again Tom,

My comment was not a criticism.

My only point is that in any complex system such as the examples you have given there will be a myriad of unintended consequences.

Tut

That's the mistake we make when we broad brush a situation that's unfamiliar. Just as Christianity has many branches, so does Islam, and while you see the many marching in the streets, there are many more who are not. Its important to distinquish just as we do here in America, the differing sects, to know whose throwing the rocks, and who is not.

And who is really stirring the mobs, and who is not!

Tal you see... there are things we can agree on.

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Now Tal that is an answer we would all like to hear. One day it will be one side and the next day the other. No one is blameless in all that is happening. Tom wants us to believe that there is some alturistic motive some higher purpose when american interferes in the conflicts of others, but we see through that. Tom you want to quote Iraq in 1990, why didn't america protect the shiite population? Were they the wrong type of Muslim? You weren't interested in protecting the Bosnian Muslim's but you protected the Muslims of Kosovo. This is all so much yankee rhetoric, what good guys you are, well Tom the point is all lost on the rest of us