I have radio on all day and have heard nothing BUT this debate over the past 2-3 days. I'm pretty sure I've heard every pro and con that there is. I'm hearing lucid arguments from both sides, but in the end I have to side with the ones who think it's not good - even though it apparently is legal.

So the vote for me is Against it. I don't have a Band of America account, but if I did, I'd probably close it.

What do y'all think of this campaign of theirs?

I don't want to make this about Illegal Aliens. That's a lengthy subject of it's own. I'm just curious to hear how many are For or Against Bank of America's new campaign.

Maybe because of this:



North American Union:
A Profound Solution
To The Treachery If Faced With Treason
We The People Have A Duty,
And The Legal Power To End It



In yesterday's article on Illegal Immigration we showed that Mexico is invading the United States: This is a war without a declaration of war.
We also showed that the President of the United States was adhering to this enemy of the United States by giving aid and comfort to Mexico and its invaders and that Congress was acquiescing: This is treason.
We also showed that the People have the Duty, the Right and the constitutional Power to peaceably procure relief by forcing the Government of the United States to faithfully execute the immigration laws and to otherwise honor and defend the Constitution: This is the power of the First Amendment Right to Petition for Redress of Grievances.


Some months ago over 500,000 illegal immigrants took to the streets of Los Angeles in bold defiance of the immigration laws of the United States. Similar demonstrations were also held that day and in the days following in other American cities. The speakers who addressed the illegal immigrants at the demonstrations and the signs being carried by the demonstrators themselves were openly proclaiming the true purpose of the unlawful, and virtually unchecked, mass migration across our southern border. It's a message that is now often and openly repeated by opinion leaders in the illegal immigrant community.




For instance, Jose Angel Gutierrez, a Professor at the University of Texas in Arlington has said publicly, "This is our homeland. We belong here. We cannot, we will not, and we must not be made illegal in our homeland. We are not immigrants.We are free to travel the length and breath of the Americas because we belong here. We are millions. We just have to survive. We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. It is a matter of time. The explosion is in our population."

So would I read that as a vote Against? :)

Yep! Against, this country has enough problems of it own.

To note, "The credit cards are not aimed specifically at illegal immigrants, a bank spokeswoman said, but instead people who lack solid credit histories" (Chicago Tribune), but I think that's baloney. They can easily have a program geared to people with less than stellar credit, but the throwing out of the need for a SSN tells me that the spokesperson is speaking doubletalk.

The Bank of America and many US banks have branches overseas and issue credit cards to many nations.

And it is obvouis that our nation ( law makers) do not really believe anything should be done about illegal aliens in our county, They won't even close the borders, so we know they are not wanting to stop them from coming.

They are here, like it or not in the millions, and more every day.

And many are hard working people who want a better life for their family.
They are good credit risks, "banking" on that the US will shortly give them legal rights to stay within the next two years. And if not if a Democrat gets to be President next round it will happen for sure.

While I am against giving them cards, I most certainly say buy their stock, I see it going up at least 20 percent over next year and more if the illegals get legal status to stay.

In the New World Order of things, no human being is considered "illegal." When their money spends just as well as anyone else's, shouldn't they have a credit card so that corporate america can apply the sliding rule interest rate? Coporate America has no boundries and the U.S. no longer is a sovereign state. (No boundries.) So what's all the hoopla about? :confused:

Are the new one dollar coins really the new Ameros? Will they also have the Mexican Presidente and the Canadian Prime Minister on them in months to come?

Hmmm... seems ripe for fraud. Perhaps I should get one, run it up and default. Of course they may have a problem looking for Mr. Goodbar from Houston, Ontario. :D

Let's see how many of us older folks get a movie reference in that post.

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Hmmm....seems ripe for fraud. Perhaps I should get one, run it up and default. Of course they may have a problem looking for Mr. Goodbar from Houston, Ontario. :D

Let's see how many of us older folks get a movie reference in that post.

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Very true but, with that many write offs you could cook the books and come out smelling like a wad of cash! What's the IRS to do about it when you own them? 2/3 of the attorneys in the world are American and most of them are on Capitol Hill making laws to protect corporate America. Today's politicians are yesterdays attorneys that make the very laws that protect themselves from taxes! In the world of politics, nothing happens by accident.

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In the New World Order of things, no human being is considered "illegal." When their money spends just as well as anyone else's, shouldn't they have a credit card so that corporate america can apply the sliding rule intrest rate? Coporate America has no boundries and the U.S. no longer is a soverign state. (No boundries.) So what's all the hoopla about? :confused:

Are the new one dollar coins really the new Ameros? Will they also have the Mexican Presidente and the Canadian Prime Minister on them in months to come?

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Hmnnnn. Bush is the leader of The New World Order, well, the only one you have to worry about, and nothing he wants to do is illegal. Just ask him. To business, people are potential customers. Do you have to prove citizenship every time you mwant to complete a commercial transactioon? How would you like that? "Yes, Mr(s) Magprob, a pound of onions. First I will have to run your biometrics, drivers licence, and SSN through the INS database."

Then you hie next door to get a stick of gum and repeat the whole procedure, bu ton.ly after giving a dental imprint for their rexcords.

Next for a tank of gas, but before the nozzle can be extracted from its lodging you have to be eyeballed by the biometric pupil scanner, press your fingertips on the interactive pad to be compared with the FBI database (mustn't sell gas to felons, they might want to use it to zoom off in the getaway car!), and then show three forms of ID including SSN card. By the time you do that, the price of gas has gone up by 30 (OK, 50) cents a gallon.

Thence to the liquor store where you have to repeat the procedure in addition to passing a breathalyser test (Mustn't sell liquor to the intoxicated!), and so on.

Perhaps I exaggerate a tad (!), but what responsibility can we place on retailers - including banks - for doing business for the nice people who present themselves to them?

I am encouraged (being an open-borderite) by your inclusion of your neighbours tom the north and south, but do you see any correlation between America's attitude towards illegals and Hitlers attitude to Jews?

It's a tough old world, innit?


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Hmmm....seems ripe for fraud. Perhaps I should get one, run it up and default. Of course they may have a problem looking for Mr. Goodbar from Houston, Ontario. :D

Let's see how many of us older folks get a movie reference in that post.

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Everything is ripe for fraud by anyone. Am I right in assuming that you do not mean that only (all or some) illegals are dishonest and that all citizens are honest? Have you visited a prison lately to check out who is living there at the taxpayers' expense? It is like living in the White House, but the décor and meals are not on the same order. Or so I am informed.

I know a Mr Good Bear from Page Arizona. Any kin of yours?

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I have radio on all day and have heard nothing BUT this debate over the past 2-3 days. I'm pretty sure I've heard every pro and con that there is. I'm hearing lucid arguments from both sides, but in the end I have to side with the ones who think it's not good - even though it apparently is legal.

So the vote for me is Against it. I don't have a Band of America account, but if I did, I'd probably close it.

What do y'all think of this campaign of theirs?

I don't want to make this about Illegal Aliens. That's a lengthy subject of it's own. I'm just curious to hear how many are For or Against Bank of America's new campaign.

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You seem to be laboring under the mistaken idea that this is a democracy! Surely if it is leagal and you don't like it you have to either live with it or else get the law changed. I am unsure after reading your post what difference it makes to you, personally or corporately, as to who has or does not have a credit card and from what financial instutution. I admit surprise, because I believe you to be a committed Christian familiar with Jesus' parable of the Good Illegal. [Luke 10.30-37]



M:)

The bible is clear to be good to everyone, but also it is very clear that you must obey the laws of your government and that our government is ordained by God to be over us.

Illegals are just that breaking the law, and as such as Christians we should be strong in helping them understand that they are sinning by staying in the US, since disobeying your government is a form of sin.

And as Christians we should in all love help them return home so they are not sinning.

We can as a people try and help them change their government to help them stronger.

But helpping people who are criminals and breaking the law is not and can not be a good thing.

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The bible is clear to be good to everyone, but also it is very clear that you must obey the laws of your government and that our government is ordained by God to be over us.

Illegals are just that breaking the law, and as such as Christians we should be strong in helping them understand that they are sinning by staying in the US, since disobeying your government is a form of sin.

And as Christians we should in all love help them return home so they are not sinning.

We can as a people try and help them change thier government to help them stronger.

But helpping people who are criminals and breaking the law is not and can not be a good thing.

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Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this [God's] law:


Shall we leave them bleeding by the wayside? Should we not succour them in their need?

Well... I'll be in the Home and Garden section if anyone needs me. Praise the lord and pass the mulch.:o C-YA

The bank of America did what? Oh wow that's a bit scary. Maybe I don't have any business commenting because I'm Australian, but I think the bank's decision is of poor taste. A bit of a slap in the face to all those people who emigrated legally, and had to go through all that red tape to do so, don't you think?

It's a different story here in Australia. Illegal immigrants go straight to jail - no questions asked, it's otherwise known as mandatory detention. They do, however, get the opportunity to apply for a visa, and if they are refused, they get put on the plane and sent straight back to where they came from, end of story.

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Illegals are just that breaking the law, and as such as Christians we should be strong in helping them understand that they are sinning by staying in the US, since disobeying your government is a form of sin.

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Oh, please. I hope you beg God for forgiveness every time you go 38 in a 35 mph zone!

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Oh, please. I hope you beg God for forgiveness every time you go 38 in a 35 mph zone!

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Ok, that made me laugh. Good one!

What is so surprising about a company that gives credit cards to 18 year old college students with no jobs, letting anyone have one without a credit history, or SSN? Its all about the money and just as college kids have found out and the credit companies know they will get their money and don't care who totes the note.

Is Bank of America the only one doing this or defending this? If it is, I am not surprised. Just a little BOA sidebar: BOA was created and grown by an old venerated west coast Italian family with solid standards and was sold a while back to the sleaziest guys in the banking industry who wanted only the sterling reputation. And what they did since caused me to switch banks. However if all the banks do this, I would also not be very surprised, crappy business tactics seems to have begun to invade the entire industry sadly, as one of Ben's threads touched on recently indicated. I wonder if my current bank does this ? I may have to look into that...

As for Looking for Mr Goodbar, I did that in my scarier days and later read the book and then saw the movie. Gritty stuff. I was fortunate to survive. LOL