Say that in the near future populations prove to be unsustainable without causing a large die-off of most of the other large species on this planet. Would you support instituting drastic population control measures to prevent many people from having children? Note I am not talking about extermination just preventing reproduction and letting mortality take care of the rest.

Forced sterilization? Is that your question?

No, more along the lines of what China has wit a one child policy

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Originally Posted by straud

Would you sypport totallitarian population control to save the planet?

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Hello straud:

No.

excon

Nah... I like forced sterilization better.

Found guilty of being stupid? Sterilized! Get pregnant when you and another child are already being supported by the taxpayers? Sterilized!

As long as parents can afford their children, I have no problem with them having as many as they'd like. However, if you PROVE you cannot be a good parent (guilty of child abuse or neglect), your children are given elsewhere and you should be sterilized.

There is no doubt we will be forced to control population otherwise there may be wars over resources, food, etc.

The one child rule in China hasn't worked out well for them and may cause problems with an aging population. In other words a totalatarian solution isn't an answer.

I think we should ensure there is a television set in every home with eductional programs running frequently. Television and access to birth control has lowered the pregnency rate in developed countries.

I also think that all people below the age of 25 should be on strict birth control, after that age they are more likely to be sensible about what they do, but avoiding unwanted pregnencies in early life would do a lot to cure some of societies problems.

The Earth will control population .

It can only sustain a certain number then the food and other resources will not be available to keep everybody alive.

That's the hard way but will happen for sure if we don't do something a little easier on everyone in order to stop the horror a world wide famine will have.
Math doesn't lie.

Exponential growth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It has to be done by education , giving someone the power to say who breeds and who doesn't is like handing a 2 yr old a loaded fully automatic weapon.

The potential is certain disaster.

Like martinizing said... isn't that what famines do? When anything breeds itself in such numbers that starvation and death result from outstripping the LOCAL food sources... then numbers self correct.

The last thing you want is some talking head politician deciding who lives and who dies.. if you think they are easily corrupted over petty things and small ammounts of money, wait until they control life and death... and their inner Tyrant emerges.

You mean they do NOT control that now?

Oh please.

Let's talk about "Welfare" and "Affordable Health Care" and "subsidized food" and farmers who are paid to leave fields fallow to control prices instead of providing food.

Politics ALREADY controls who lives, dies and breeds. And the more education someone has, the less they breed... which means that the poor and uneducated are the ones using more of the resources.

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Originally Posted by Synnen

You mean they do NOT control that now?

Oh please.

Let's talk about "Welfare" and "Affordable Health Care" and "subsidized food" and farmers who are paid to leave fields fallow to control prices instead of providing food.

Politics ALREADY controls who lives, dies and breeds. And the more education someone has, the less they breed.....which means that the poor and uneducated are the ones using more of the resources.

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Exactly... and one example why polititians should NOT be involved.

Instead of Darwins theory of evolution through survival of the fittest, you have politicians reversing that process of the least fit for survival breeding in the largest numbers.

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Originally Posted by smoothy

Exactly....and one example why polititians should NOT be involved.

Instead of Darwins theory of evolution through survival of the fittest, you have politicians reversing that process of the least fit for survival breeding in the largest numbers.

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Then getting elected to various government offices and sending the truly brave and worthwhile segment of our population off to be thinned out in various conflicts , wars , and saving people from WMD s . And guarding oil , and corporate profits so the execs will have sufficient amounts to steal and misappropriate .
All elected officials should lead the way and be sterilized to set the example.
We could even take some out and call it retroactive abortion "DNA proven to be lacking by deed and action.

So many possibilities .

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Then getting elected to various government offices and sending the truly brave and worthwhile segment of our population off to be thinned out in various conflicts , wars , and saving people from WMD s . And guarding oil , and corporate profits so the execs will have sufficient amounts to steal and misappropriate .
All elected officials should lead the way and be sterilized to set the example.
We could even take some out and call it retroactive abortion "DNA proven to be lacking by deed and action.

So many possibilities .

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Sure a few get "thinned out", but the majority don't, and they will get very valuable experience and knowledge, which gets shared and is benifitial for all that follow them. It's a double edged sword.

But the ones breeding like rabbits for the most part are people the Military would not take if they wanted to join. To start with, if you don't have a diploma or GED, they won't take you before they even start looking at other things. And few of them make positive contributions to society. Sure some will, but most are a drain on resources.

And they are able to breed like rabbits because they aren't expected to foot the cost of raising them, for the most part the taxpayers have to do it these days.

Do I think certain classes should be sterilizsed? Yeah, but you and I both know the chances of that happening are zero. Just to be clear... "classes" as I define it here do not follow racial lines. Or neccessarly follow wealth or lack of it either.

I'm a firm believer in the "you broke it, you bought it" concept. You made it, then its YOUR responsibility to pay for it until they are self supporting, not the taxpayers.

I also don't think most of the people the SSI declares "disabled" should be, just because you can't toss 100 lb boxes all day long doesn't mean you can't do other work. If you are obese and your ankles, knees or back hurts as a result, lose the weight, that's your own fault.

But I don't make the rules, or write the laws. Nor do I trust the government to be fair in anything it does...

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Sure a few get "thinned out", but the majority don't, and they will get very valuable experience and knowledge, which gets shared and is benifitial for all that follow them. It's a double edged sword.

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A sword I understand. My oldest is a Senior Master Sargent in the Air Force . 1 tour of Iraq and 2 in Afganistan and thank God now in Alaska.
My gandson graduated last week and is now an Army Ranger.

The other edge... with the prisons full of able bodied men who love to fight (the streets also) we could have the "Crip Divison" , The Blood Brigade , Aryan Army, Mexican Mfia Militia , etc.

They are already armed which would save the taxpayers money and all we would need to do is drop them off wherever needed and assure any who are found in the US ever again will be executed within 2 hours of positive identification.

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And they are able to breed like rabbits because they aren't expected to foot the cost of raising them, for the most part the taxpayers have to do it these days.

Do I think certain classes should be sterilizsed? Yeah, but you and I both know the chances of that happening are zero. Just to be clear... "classes" as I define it here do not follow racial lines. Or neccessarly follow wealth or lack of it either.

I'm a firm believer in the "you broke it, you bought it" concept. You made it, then its YOUR responsibility to pay for it until they are self supporting, not the taxpayers.

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I would rather see the billions we are using to "bail out " the financial disaster caused by rich scum trying to get richer . Used to educate and care for the children born to the "breeders" and break that cycle.

And the CEO's and CFO's and exec s involved could be dropped off with the All Gang Army as "Scouts and Infiltrators" with the same instructions as to what "homecoming" would consist of .

I would feel a little better about paying taxes

Sure there are plenty of people in jails that like to fight... the problem is, they are in jail because they don't like doing what they are supposed to do, and heaven forbid anyone TELL them what to do. That is exactly the opposite of what makes our military the best in the world. We have the smartest people who have the required dicipline. And I don't need to tell you, Army Rangers like Seals, and some other special forces units are the best of the best. Someone to obviously be proud of.

If you consider the quality of our Military today as opposed to during the draft you see a significant improvement in quality and effectiveness.

I will choose to differ on the wasting more money on education... as they threw more and more money into education the last several decades, the quality of education went to crap even faster.

Its not about the money... its about who they have teaching, and the tactics they use. Which today amount more to indocrination than actual teaching.

Bring back corporal Punishment, get rid of the NEA, get rid of the teachers unions, then the teachers can get back to what they are supposed to do, Teach the students.

I have no doubt the Wall Street bailouts was more about political payback than it was anything else.

But giving that money to the lazy and breeeders, won't help them, they are happy with their handouts... take most of those away and make them work for everything, then there will be a huge shift in attitude.

Many of them are happy being poor, because they can squeek by without having to work. They like that. Make them HAVE to work... and stop handing them everything. Make coasting by on a free ride a thing of the past.

I did not mean to put them into the military.. (That could be possibly classified as sarcastic mmmmm oh well)... just send them off to never return to the US in exchange for being released from prison.
Execution mandatory for return to US.

The parasites who bled the financial industry and will never be incarcerated in a real prison , will be working to pay restitution to the entire country. Babysitting , cleaning house, shopping, or whatever it takes to allow single parents to go to school or learn a trade and become self sufficient which is a significant number.
Failure to comply , mandatory 15 yrs in Real Prison like Attica, San Quentin , we could reopen Alcatraz for their benefit.
The " white collar" criminal becomes the "white glove houseboy" or some dudes boyfriend in lockup.
The lines would be long to get in and voluntary sterilization moves you
To the front.

;) .;) .;)

We can dream

Any person holding office , or running for office must be sterilized.

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Originally Posted by martinizing2

I did not mean to put them into the military..(That could be possibly classified as sarcastic mmmmm oh well)...just send them off to never return to the US in exchange for being released from prison.
Execution mandatory for return to US.

The parasites who bled the financial industry and will never be incarcerated in a real prison , will be working to pay restitution to the entire country. Babysitting , cleaning house, shopping, or whatever it takes to allow single parents to go to school or learn a trade and become self sufficient which is a significant number.
Failure to comply , mandatory 15 yrs in Real Prison like Attica, San Quentin , we could reopen Alcatraz for their benefit.
The " white collar" criminal becomes the "white glove houseboy" or some dudes boyfriend in lockup.
The lines would be long to get in and voluntary sterilization moves you
to the front.

;) .;) .;)

We can dream

Any person holding office , or running for office must be sterilized.

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Problem is turning many of them loose with weapons... and its anyone's guess what they would do. I'd think you might have just have just as many joining the other side because loyalty is a foreign concept to them just as much as right and wrong. Sure a few would do the right thing... but you'd have to be a far bigger optimist than I am to expect much good to come from it.

The WWI style trench warfare cannon fodder thing doesn't happen much... but I assume that is the sort of use you are thinking of for them.

I don't think a thief should have his sentence based on his net worth, they should be equally treated as the criminals they are. Stealing it from a business or investors really isn't any different than being a door to door con man or stealing from mailboxes.

I would raise the ante on anyone guilty of ID theft. They should be treated and charged far more seriously than they are, because of the disruption, cost and trouble they cause. Like remain in prison until they fully reimburse the victims the FULL cost of their crime, not just what they stole.

And bring back chain gangs in ALL states... at least they will get some needed labor in exchange for the cost of incarceration. There are plenty of able bodies available.

We were raised in a much different America Smoothy, and I know excon will have our backs about that.

We sound cold and harsh but when I was growing up nobody ever locked their doors or even took the keys out of the car ,kids could walk to the playground and play on dangerous but fun equipment provided. And walk home in the dark alone.

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We were raised in a much different America Smoothy, and I know excon will have our backs about that.

We sound cold and harsh but when I was growing up nobody ever locked their doors or even took the keys out of the car ,kids could walk to the playground and play on dangerous but fun equipment provided. And walk home in the dark alone.

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Yep, did that where I grew up too.

Even rode bicycles, minibikes and motorcycles without a helmet too. Don't know a single kid that ever got worse than a broken arm either in all that time, and as boys we were always trying to emulate Evil Kenevil, and jump ramps on our bikes all the time. This was before BMX or even Mountain bikes existed. Yes we ALL bent the forks at least once.

We mostly behaved in school, because everyone new they would have gotten a public paddling by the principle... and that was the one thing every kid to the last one feared the most. The humiliation of that paddling. Right up through the Serior year of High School.

Today they are worried the poor little animals self esteme will get bruised if someone so much as looks at them bad..

And so the little SOB's get their first major shock when they enter the work force and find out the world doesn't cater to their wants and needs, and they aren't the center of the universe..